i think that eugene v. debs try to keep us to our ideals. my question is about a christian socialist who ran on the ticket with debs in 1900. later, he was involved with the trials of the mcnamara brothers, who were accused of using sabotages to further their cause. i know that debs defended imprint the mcnamaras. >> is this a period of his life that weekend for -- you can fill us in on? >> i do not know enough about it. i do know that -- clarence darrow was a big part of using the defense in 19 -- 1894. i do not know enough about him to comment on his involvement. >> debs did not intend to justify the dynamiting of the building. it was the center of a tremendous anti-labor, anti- socialist the demand at that point. he believed that the mcnamara as were innocent. much of this defense of them was based on believing that this was a false charge. >> the second sentencing was under the espionage act. he made a speech at his sentencing. he went to prison and in the 1920 campaign, which he decided to take part in. can you tell me how he campaigned