to play that amount of power and positioning we are close enough to eurasia that we can help with thecurity problems and we are far enough away that nobody thinks we really have materialistic designs on the territory. that isn't a particularly damning complaint in the scheme of history how the nationstates behave towards each other there's no other that can play this role and destabilizing to keep theaters. it doesn't necessarily breed familiarity or problem-solving it can breed contempt. they approve they still have a lot of issues dating back to history and i don't know that they would sort them out better. in europe, putin would welcome less of an american law because they could start to divide and conquer and i'm not saying he's going to invade them militarily that he would look for ways to coerce and so the fact we have the stability to anchor ourselves to the opposite extremes of eurasia with big alliances and important allies and sort of uphold the rules of the road is crucially significant because of the attributes this company has an americans. exceptionalism doesnt mean you

michael hirson, over at the eurasia group.e are talking about what is going on within china, the second largest economy. we re going to talk about what is going on coming out of china, a $1 trillion in imports coming out of china. we will talk about how the biggest port could cause a amid -- could cause a major disruption of shipping in the u.s.. this is bloomberg. ♪ caroline: focused on china and one of the key stories has been the ongoing closure of what is the world third biggest port. taylor, this is all around -- when it comes to covid. taylor: it is like we did not have a problem before hand, we have a really -- we really have a problem now. these are shipping crates. it is east to west and west to east, europe to asia, all over the world we have been having huge congestion and huge pricing issues. we have had a lot of conversation on this program with the port of long beach and los angeles. they just finally started to get rid of some of the congestion and then, indeed, some of the supply chain kinks means that congesti

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we can get involved in eurasia very carefully.s like vietnam, like afghanistan place us at a disadvantage. the native population does not like us. they want us out. they will beat us because they are not going anywhere. we are coming in. we will never have enough force to take a country like afghanistan. we are frivolously involving you and ourselves and things that look good and deluding ourselves that our norma's power is infinite -- our enormous power is infinite. the longer you stay the uglier it gets. kailey: obviously the united states has power. it is a matter of how it is used. will we no longer see the u.s. as the police country of the world? george: a global hegemon is very careful in how it uses its power. it does not fritter it away on secondary issues. afghanistan was never a strategic issue for the united states once osama bin laden left. it is a country the russians were defeated in, the british were defeated in. we have to make sure our cost benefit analysis is correct. there is a price in going to war. you do not

it covers three quarters of eurasia. it has a tremendous impact to the extent the united states -- there is a combination of enforcement for this objective. at that time, china was a trading partner. today, china has a large economy. huge population. significant military power. the population is shrinking but still significant. it cannot be in the united interest to drive the two types together. historical experience of -- [indiscernible] it is not in our interest to forge the countries together. distinct policy for each of them. each side considers its own. [indiscernible] with respect to the ukraine and other neighboring countries. so that the new -- ukraine is absolutely entitled to independence. the united states -- [indiscernible] i am not saying -- when you are forced into confrontations, we can say to ourselves we have made every effort to achieve peaceful outcomes. but because of domestic politics. sec. lieberman: i agree. that is a great agenda really, a challenge to this administration to -- and i am taken with

scott rosenstein, eurasia group senior public health advisor, joining us to get his take.re you surprised at what is going on in the u.k.? there was the thought that these delta carious -- these delta cases would be shooting higher and higher. what is your explanation? scott: it has been interesting to watch a number of companies dealing with this. south africa, the netherlands, the u.k., india. i thing it is really hard to pinpoint a single reason. i think one of the reasons might just be the natural ebb and flow of these outbreaks. at the same time, it is something to watch. the u.k. outbreak right now has slowed a little bit. the u.k. is a relatively small country. please is like india are really better characterized as a series of smaller outbreaks. the u.s. is the same. drawing conclusions from the u.k. may be a little premature, but it is worth monitoring. alix: could we actually say perhaps that people are just getting tested less, in which case it would make it quite difficult to see the efficacy of the u.k. being the test case? scott: i think the variations in tes

we will discuss that with the eurasia group.t for the first time in more than two years, alibaba's revenue missed estimates of the crackdown. we have the latest. this is bloomberg. ♪ >> there has been some concern about whether it's at an end of china with all of the crackdowns from a regulatory perspective. we don't think so. >> there needs to be balance profit making and work responsibility and national interest. i think we are in for this structural change. >> potentially long-term positive for the world economy or from the market side with more investors not lagging. >> i don't think it's safe to assume that westerners can trust putting money in chinese companies. >> i don't necessarily believe they are not investable. haidi: weighing in on the fresh regulatory concerns. alibaba's revenue missing estimates for the first time in more than two years of its latest earnings. stephen engle joins us now. it seems like a long time ago, but going back to the fact that jack ma was at the start of this regulatory crackdown on tech. is

the fact that russia and china was coming together and was forming a kind of defect to alliance in eurasia, which wasn't used to be a nightmare to such jo jo, political thinkers like june, sky or right you soon who, who are not so crow russian. i must say so, but after the collapse of the soviet union, this was the idea and the mainstream of thinking was that russia and china were like, it does mess and they could not to come too close together because there is differences because china is a danger for russian, so, but now the mood is changing. there are some people who, who talk in the united states about parallel identity in the russian, china that like values are coming closer together in the end. and then this is a problem. so this is why, by the way, why by them chose to meet the russian president because there were several articles including like show journals like for the fairs, this, which were saying that now this is a problem, russian chinese refresh money. the problem is, and then you for the united states, and we should do something about about it, perhaps some how do i and the

pivot of history was a founding geo political principle that no one can ever be allowed to control eurasia, your asian land mass, the reason why is it would then become a world's island and the rest of the world kind of become a backwater. so what you see recently is kind of the realization of mckindoe's island. you have russia plus china plus central asia all the way out to the middle east. china by far the world's largest customer for oil now from the middle east. and you got what's the mic hinders island and what could a pen trade flows and could eventually create backwaters out of places like western europe. right. you know, with iran the strategy was asked to isolate them to apply sanctions. and here with the stroke of a pen, we've got an enormous addition to the shanghai cooperation organization, which fills in the missing piece and the one bed one road initiative. and also why just, you know, the economies of scale. there's a certain, gustavo, here, the whole is greater than the sum of the parts stand, and you mentioned aircraft carrier. so those aircraft carriers were prevented fro

and to some extent, it applies to the old, big new brzezinski theses of eurasia, as the grand child born with the economic rise of china. i would claim us g, g, g, rebounding of fresh and ganesh, them being in the middle. this region is that is gaining important. it is seeing again as the very center of the new world order, theoretically that male for your people, lots of benefits. but practically, historically, it has brought a lot of new fortune liability, which ones are more likely going forward? well, if we, the afghan people will grasp our immensely important strategic revocation, well. and which has been for the last 300 years. we are in the middle of envision in which of garrison's neighbour with the super powers of the day. therefore those who are competing with the superpowers from far away definitely will come into our territory. for that competition, the afghan people must handle this more accurate and capably. almost understand the value of the size that we ought, and the location that we are. and use that especially in promoting confidence and trust with our neighbors and th

so now to steven next, he's regional director for eurasia at the international republican institute. he joins us from washington, d. c. steven next. welcome to the news out. is this all about really all about mr. lucas shanker trying to point school against the e u. because of the position of sanctions and he knows he's got a weak situation there because his country board is lithuania and latvia. well i think that's correct. this is directed at the you, but in particular, the lithuanian country country lithuania. let's go back and really look to see how we got to where we are today. roughly a year ago, lithuania was at the forefront of the fight against the door, tearing regime in baler roots and after a completely falsified election, an election that alexander lucretia go stole an election that fits on a chicken australia we believe. and data supports actually won that election. she was forced to flee her country and take up brad region. lithuania. their lead by foreign minister lands burgess and others. they took her in, they supported her. now other western organizations are suppo

i think the pendulum of power will swing probably into the eurasia zone. i think that'll be a certainty. so usually they can no longer project their power because nobody believes them that many more. once the monarchy, the french monarchy was gone. that was the end of monarchy. they tried to come back once and the people didn't want them back. and the same thing here, people don't want the meritocracy because they look around them and they see california wasteland. disaster or sound humanitarian disasters on they. they presented afghanistan as the, the actual lab for this meritocracy that they were going to show you how to turn a backward country into, you know, a liberal sort of democracy. and it never happened using think tanks using billions and billions of dollars. no penny was spared, no money was spared, everything was was thrown at them. now they, he points out in this article, it is not just the elite classes incompetent. even kings could be incompetent without undermining belief and monarchy as a system. it is that they are so grossly spectacularl

we can now speak to peter zalmayev who's director of the eurasia democracy initiative.d of vitaly shishov and was due to interview him later this week. it's good to have you with us. when did you last hear from it's good to have you with us. when did you last hearfrom him and speak to him and what sort of exchanges did you have? i spoke with him last week, and we were actually planning to have him on the programme that i host on ukrainian tv every thursday, and we spoke about the security situation, as i do with most belarusian exiles because ukraine is very close to belarus, there have been a string of uninvestigated, unresolved murders of political figures from russia and belarus here. he did mention several occasions not only to me but also publicly that he was not feeling very safe in kyiv but had no other choice but to live his life. he had hisjogging routine, he knew that he was being followed, but apparently, precisely because his routine was so well—known, he was an easy target. you may have been chosen as a result. 50 easy target. you may have been chosen as a

i think the pendulum of power will swing probably into the eurasia zone. i think that will be a certainty. so usually they can no longer project their power because nobody believes them that many more. once the monarchy, the french monarchy was gone. that was the end of monarchy. they tried to come back once and the people didn't want them back. and the same thing here, people don't want the meritocracy because they look around them and they see california wasteland. disaster for sound humanitarian disasters on they. they presented afghanistan as the, the actual lab for this meritocracy that they were going to show you how to turn a backward country into, you know, a liberal sort of democracy. and it never happened using think tanks using billions and billions of dollars. no penny was spared. no money was spared everything with with thrown at them. now they, he points out in this article, it is not just the elite classes incompetent. even kings could be incompetent without undermining belief and monarchy as a system. it is that they are so grossly spectacu

doesn't work, now fund the police and we were always refund the police at oceana was always at war with eurasian't reason with these people. laura: one of the things they think will end up curing america because we have to be cured of our evil is we need to bring in people from other countries who are just better than the average trump supporter and that includes tens of thousands of refugees that they end up vetting and we are supposed to trust them. watch. >> we need to make sure every one of those individuals, they need to stay longer, we should do that. even if we bring more troops in and get them out safely. we need to do that. jillian: they want to risk american lives on the ground for longer in afghanistan for refugees who may not be refugees, the american contractor, every one of those people qualify? >> we could have figured it out. a long time we had a president who knew what he was going to do, increased the time to do it. and then decide person who risked his life for americans and this is a guy we don't trust. >> not a lot of vetting going on checking authenticity of documents. eve

i want to bring in the eurasia group director.just said goodbye to ben bain, who spoke with gary gensler today about the scrutiny the u.s. and u.s. regulators are placing on chinese tech publicly traded companies in the united states. i am curious what you are reading into these signals from the u.s. at the same time we are seeing the crackdown of the chinese companies from beijing itself. how do you see this play out? >> that is a great question. right now they are pushing to the new regulatory risk disclosure requirements and chinese regulators have signaled multiple times as we witnessed yesterday that they are interested in cooperating. i think this additional new disclosure requirement is not a major hurdle, but i don't see longer-term concern in terms of the challenge of u.s. companies having to comply with holding companies equitable in the u.s.. they can resolve. it is likely many chinese companies listed in the u.s. will face pressure. emily: meanwhile, china has dozens of domestic ipo's. who is the loser in this equation

they are fund the police and we were always for funds the police and oceana was always at war with eurasian't reason with these people. >> laura: one of the things they think will end up maybe curing america -- because we have to be cured of our evil -- this is what the far left believes -- is that we need to bring in people from other countries who are just better than average -- better than the average trump supporter, and that includes tens of thousands of refugees that they end up i guess vetting and we are supposed to trust them. watch. >> we need to make sure that every one of those individuals that we know put their lives on the line are out. if that means we have to stay longer, in my estimation, we should do that. that even if we have to bring more troops in to make sure that we can get them out safely, we need to do that. >> laura: the dems want to risk american lives on the ground for longer in afghanistan for refugees who may not even be refugees, some of them are emma but we don't know if all of them are. everyone who ever worked for an american contractor as a driver, everyon

but both have signaled they're open to having good relations ian bremer joins us, founder of the eurasiasee you again. the u.s. withdrawal does complicate a lot of relationships on the world stage. is china really warming up to the taliban? if so, what's in it for beijing? >> yeah, they certainly are. and i expect that they will make afghanistan under the taliban part of belt and road. in part because they're doing that because it's a propaganda win after the united states has failed on the ground in kabul. in part it's because they don't want a failed state in afghanistan. they would be concerned about the rise of, you know, islamic fundamentalism and support for uighyur secessions, a terrorist organization, something that china is very concerned about. and also because long term, the potential of being able to exploit rare earth metals and developing infrastructure that matters for post fossil fuel energy production is something the chinese will be interested in though i will say the difficulty in creating that infrastructure and actually bringing that -- extracting those resources and

i'm joined by ian bremer, president and founder of eurasia group.e last spoke right after the events inafghanistan started t take that tragic twist with the taliban overtaking much of the land there you said the sort of biggest thing at stake was the success of the u.s. withdrawal, including whether there were any american deaths. we unfortunately just learned about the deaths of four marines, according to various news reports what does that mean for u.s. policy now >> it's a big deal these are the first american servicemen to have been killed in afghanistan since february in 2020 clearly those that are seeing the evacuation as a failure on the biden administration, both in the united states, his political opponents, but also internationally will be leaning into that. it is obviously harder for the united states to continue evacuations, even up until august 31, given how much the security situation around kabul airport has deteriorated it's also going to be difficult for the biden administration not to engage in some kind of direct military retaliat

you mentioned, you covered this area under your purview when you worked for president obama, the eurasia area. i'm curious for your perspective on what this day means for america going forward, from a diplomatic standpoint. can we say to iran that we are this all-powerful nation, and that they have to do what we say, when we kind of cave after 20 years and all this money and all those lives that have been lost? >> well, i think the lesson, kendis, is you can have all the military means at your disposal. the united states is still the strongest military power in the world, right? but if you don't have political will, then you are not going to have the diplomacy that you need to ultimately solve the problems, the political problems. diplomatically, you can't solve a problem, end a war frankly speaking by using your military. you have to sit down at a table and negotiate. so this is a really difficult situation now for secretary blinken and the biden team because they want to, obviously, save as many lives as possible, you know, possibility for human rights to exist in afghanistan today and

really made me rethink, was our narrative around health insurance and the prospect, and then absolute eurasia off the possibility of a national health insurance program. in part, because i think that the traditional narrative associates that as a, as an impossible resolution due to both pressures from groups like the american medical association act from unions like the uaw that wanted to tie insurance to employment. but for gotten in that narrative is a group of hospitals, religious hospitals that went on the one hand to publicly say that it is absolutely vital to provide health care to poor people. this is necessary and it's tied to our religious beliefs. and at the same time, because they felt that a government health care system would completely destroy their own hospital systems, didn't want any part of a government health care system, right? so this is an area in which it doesn't necessarily seem to be about religion or theology, but hospitals are businesses, hospitals are corporations, and groups that were heavily invested in the health care industry, therefore, we're making calculated

joining me now evelyn farkas former secretary of defense for russia, ukraine and eurasia.he "washington post". the forthcoming book, the afghanistan papers, a secret history of the war. and michael o'hanlan, from the brook inches institution. brook, i want to start with you, not because of the "washington post," but the afghanistan papers. i was reading online what you were able to uncover from the reporting that you have done and putting this book together. i would take it that you are by no means surprised by what is happening in afghanistan right now. >> certainly not by the meltdown by the afghan security forces. as we reported in our coverage of the afghanistan papers, people within the u.s. military knew that the afghan army and the afghan police were unreliable, that they had serious doubts that they could stand up to the taliban once the americans left. frankly, they've known this foreyears, even though u.s. military commanders have repeatedly assured congress and the public that the afghans were a strong force and could defend their own country. so, no, i'm not su