steve, nick's senior director for eurasia of international republican institute and a london barbara book, oscar c, a director for law and policy at article 19, an organization that campaigns for global freedom of expression. welcome to the program. peggy governments restricting access to the internet. why should we be concerned now? is it because we're seeing indicators of a pattern here? absolutely. we see a longstanding pattern and it's evolving. we see blanket shut downs, but we also see all sorts of other ways to shut down through reducing the speed i, you know, i'm taking you down from 5 g to g or downgrading or throttling and other way. so there's certainly a trend and we need to worry about it because it has enormous impact. it's not just um, you know, the shutting off of speech and, and protests which is sometimes the purpose i'm, but it has enormous economic impact, an impact on people's ability to access essential services like health care, education or their jobs. so it's something that really should be a concern to everyone. stephen, this is something that the report says

in washington, stephen, senior director for eurasia of the international republican institute. ndon, barber road, senior director for policy at article 19, an organization that campaigns for global freedom of expression. -- and in london, barbara, senior director for policy at article 19, an organization that campaigns for global freedom of expression. why should we be concerned? >> absolutely. we say long-standing pattern. it is evolving. we see blanket shutdowns but also, all sorts of ways to shut down, reducing the speed, taking you from 5g to 2g, or downgrading or throttling. there is a trend. at we need to worry about it because it has enormous impact. it is not just the shutting off of speech and protests, which is sometimes the purpose, it has in a norma's -- has an enormous impact on people's ability to access health care or their jobs. it should concern everyone. >> stephen, this is something the report says has been vastly underestimated. is it because we tend to consider the internet a normal part of our daily lives and therefore, we don't look into details in those i