and this euroasian union really cannot exist. this is why we're in such a dangerous situation and why you're seeing these troop movements. we've seen some instability in the east of ukraine in harkiv, beyond crimea. we could see where ukrainian forces begin to meet russian forces and a final destabilization specific. >> if we get to the point of where we see clashes between ukrainian and russian forces, that would amp the pressure to take action, wouldn't it? >> i think then there would be movement in terms of nato posturing and positions but you still have a long way to escalate through different plateaus before you hit a broader conflict. i think what that means given the fact that geographically we're not going to be able to do much there in my view, that fundamentally over the long run, we're looking at a very different global relationship with russia and we need to have a different strategy for dealing and confronting with russia's aspirations. that will field like a cold war light and it will be very costly to the united st

after three and a half hours in moscow, the president said we're going to go with the euroasian unionre's diplomatic pressure, there's financial pressure. >> but the key to making this work is ukraine. with ukraine, because of its historical ties to russia, because of its industry, because of its population, with ukraine this begins to look like a convincing empire. without it, it's never really going to rival the west. >> i learned a word today that ukraine means buffer. and in effect, it is a buffer, literally and physically. this gives them a buffer against all these nato allies here. >> he would like to have ukraine join this union. there's no question about it. he's misplayed it. his man in ukraine did not deliver and the ukrainians have made it clear they want to go west. so what is his tallback strategy? take kramia. what does that do? it creates a territorial dispute between ukraine and russia. this is something jill dougherty mentioned last night. because of that territorial dispute, the european countries will be reluctant to take into the eu, to take into a nato, a country