is passive euthanasia.allows for the latter? with us now, two doctors for a fair and balanced debate. as i see it, there are two issues to get to hear. one, the issue of passive euthanasia. two, the issue of these so- called death panels. i would like to clear up the fact and fiction on this. first, this issue of passive euthanasia. you say that that is a real concern, doctor. tell us what you mean. >> it means withdrawing essential services at the end of life. not killing someone out right, but taking away the things that keep them alive. face it, we are dealing with a situation where the president is trying to cut costs. there are already signs that we are trying to cut medicare to the hospitals and providers. if medicare is cut, there will be fewer services delivered. we know that one out of four medicare dollars goes to end of life. we have one section that goes over consultation. the point is that we are going to cut services to the elderly, withdrawing care at the end of life, which is passive euthana

obama wants death panels to force euthanasia. former governor palin of alaska has thrown it into reverse. "we must stick to a discussion of the issues and not get sidetracked by tactics that can be accused of leading to intimidation or harassment." such tactics disable our nation's civil discourse. for whose benefit? which we need now more than ever to make elected officials to hear what we are saying. but the palin partial pullback comes too late. house republican leader john boehner hearing only friday's sle shriek, not sunday's asterisk as did other republican insurance agents. >> we know people have said routinely, we're going to have to make decisions, you're going to have to decide. communal standards historically is a very dangerous concept. >> it's not in the bill. >> but the bill's 1,000 pages of setting up mechanisms, that sets up 45 different agencies, all sorts of panels. you're asking us to trust turning power over to the government when there clearly are people in america who believe in establishing euthanasia, incl

, forced euthanasia? how did this get any kind of hold rather than people like that man not being chased off the stage by the people who were listening to him? >> let's start with what's actually in these bills. if you go to the page that references this which of course none of these critics including governor palin want to do because it would destroy their despicable lies, it said something very simple which is when you get to an end of life decision, that medicare will pay, will reimburse your doctor to have the conversation that every elderly person or grievously ill person and their families should have to make these very tough decisions. and having the consultation of the medical professional is helpful. that doesn't say that, anything about, you know, advancing the end of life or euthanasia. >> right. that conversation can be, i want you to keep pumping me full of drugs until there is none left. >> absolutely. >> keep pumping my chest until i've been dead six weeks. >> and there are families for who

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turning it into euthanasia, death panels, they're going to kill my kid.der democratic pursuit of bipartisanship on this issue both politically and patriotically a nonstarter? >> well, you know, you pursue bipartisanship as far as you can. we're stuck in the senate finance committee right now. i used to work there. senate finance committee has a long tradition of bipartisan legislating, also has a tradition of legislating in a single-party way. we did it in 1939 on the biggest tax increase in history. no republican votes. in fact, bob dole said to me one day, you will get no republican votes. that's what i call bipartisanship. bob dole was telling me the second most valuable thing he could tell me. if he told me you'd get three republican votes, that'd be nice. he told me forget about us. concentrate on your dems. you won't get it with us. he was very helpful. we did did the way we had to do it. there comes a time when chairman baucus has to say we're taking a vote and that time is somewhere soon after they return on september 15th. >> yeah, as we say at e

this has nothing to do with euthanasia, which is outlawed in this country, and we do not deal with euthanasia whatsoever in this bill. >> well, mr. doggett, as one of the people writing the bill, just to clear it up as you just did, make it clear, no one will be approached to have to make end of life decisions. that would be entirely up to the patient, the citizen, to bring up the topic, right? >> it's up to the patient to take it up with their doctor if they so choose to, and euthanasia is not one of the options. >> okay. let me ask you about your state. you have a half a dozen members of congress all republicans out there talking up this birther thing. there is absolutely no evidence the president was born anywhere but the united states. we've got a birth certificate, we've got an announcement of his birth at the time, all kinds of contemporary information, including the testimony of his mother, his grandparents, everybody who knew him, the governor of the state who is a republican, all the department heads, all the information anybody could want that he was born in america. they knew it at

they're going to give fe health care to all illegal aliens, they're going to give us classes on euthanasia. >> reporter: the white house says what they've heard isn't true. sarah palin weighed in with this facebook posting on what she called an obama death panel that would determine who gets treatment and who doesn't. even independent observers va this is offbait. still former speaker of the house newt gingrich defended the idea. >> you're asking to us trust turning power over to the government when there clear are people in the government to believe in establishing euthanasia. >> reporter: the growing anger and and confusion offer the original 1,000 page bill has put the white house and democrats on the offensive. >> i've heard this is going to pay for abortion across america. not true in any version of the bill. sghits hard to have a discussion about health care reform if you don't really know what it's all about. >> reporter: which means if health care reform is going to happen by the end of the year, the public will want to hear more reasoning. >> why don't you go home. >> reporter: an

they said on page 25, there was mandatory euthanasia. do not laugh. it is a very serious issue. how many have seen that e-mail? it has been going all over. let me do something here. it is not easy reading. it really is not. it is not because it is a law. it is written by lawyers. it has to be very, very precise. the comment was that we should fix that. i am not sure that i do not want laws that are very specifically written. i want lawyers to be able to compose documents that will withstand the test of a trial by jury, what ever it is. it is incumbent on me to do my homework, to read this. it is supposed to be difficult. it is not supposed to be a walk in a park, even though we are in a park. let me read this one paragraph. i am going to use of water from time to time. -- i am going to get a sip of water from time to time. >> can we ask questions soon? >> in about five minutes. i'm going to set a couple parameters and then i will answer questions. as an example of a lot of things that are distracting us from the true things that must be debated about health care, it has been sai

there is nothing like euthanasia in the bill.ar tisd medicine for a long time and, of course you have to have end of life discussions. the patients want that. there is nothing euthanasia is not in this bill. bill: as far as we can tell, sarah palin never mentioned youth nark shah. dean made it up to demean palin. dean does that all the time. and it's wrong. check four, whenever president obama's policies get in trouble, you can count on the race card being dealt. this woman, atlanta journal constitution columnist cynthia tucker was downgraded from editorial director said this about those opposing government-run health care. >> i think 45 to 65% of the people who appear at these groups are people who will never be comfortable with the idea of a black president. bill: never be comfortable with the eye of a black president. nothing to do with health care. but ms. tucker has been pedalling that kind of garbage for years. check 5 the democratic senatorial pain people have released this ad. >> >> stop spending our money! >> what makes

most fearful, those are the people whose fears are played upon, those are the people screaming euthanasia, socialized medicine. one woman stood up in dover, a woman clearly in her 70s, maybe her 80s and said, i hate socialized medicine. i don't want government in my health care. i asked her if she's on medicare. she said, yeah, and i'm really pleased with my medicare. those people need education instead of the fearmongers playing up on their fears. >> should the people who are truly -- truly fearful, and the people who whether or not it's out of their own fears or whether or not they're doing it in terms of political activism are saying things like socialized medicine and euthanasia and the other myths that have been out there, it makes sense that they should be educated about these thing it's they are in fact ignorant about them. but if they're not -- and this is just politics -- is it right and smart for democrats to engage with them and try to debunk them, try to expose where they're coming from, or should they be ignored? >> well, you can't really ignore them when they're in a meeting

one the lies about the health care system requiring euthanasia and all this nonsense. but on another level as i say leaving a loaded gun on the table, calling our president hitler, spreading this rhetoric, spreading these lies. it isn't just a question of being bad journalists anymore. these are bad americans and they are putting all of us at risk. >> frank scheafer, author of "crazy for god" thank you very much for coming on the show. really appreciate your insight. >> thanks. >>> coming up next we recently hosted on this show democratic member of congress who was taking a particularly pugnacious but constructive call their bluff approach to the health care fight. he is representative anthony weiner of new york and joins us next to talk about how the democrats are fighting back against the mob rule tactics they are facing. at your chevy dealer, but funds are going fast. so hurry. let us recycle your older vehicle and you could qualify for an additional $3500 or $4500 cash back on a new, fuel-efficient chevy. your chevy dealer has more eligible models to choose from. m

the outlandish rumors that will promote euthanasia. that is simply not true. >> the president says that millions of dollars could be saved if people talk more about what they want in the final months of life. >>> the pentagon has issued warnings about the security risks posed by social networking site. they may not be keeping her on the advice. the u.s. military uses sites like twitter and youtube to monitor and react to high- profile events. the air force used those sites to assess the controversy surrounding the air force one fly over last year over the statue of liberty. >>> parts of asia are being damaged by two thai phone one storm flooded villages, crushed cars -- to -- "typhoons. dozens of people were killed and many people injured. look at the video. hundreds of people were buried. at least 12 people were killed when another typhoon slammed into western japan. >>> those are tough images. >> that is rough weather. we have not had much in hurricane season as yet, but things will heat up in september. around here is the heat. augu

. >> let me start by dispelling the outlandish roomers that reform will promotes euthanasia. that is simply not true. >> the legislation has many people confuse the democrats blame that on the republicans. some say they are operating a scare campaign. -- smear campaign. it involves doctors talking with patients about end of life care. >> hitler called his program the final solution. i wonder what we will call ours. >> the white house says the legislation allow not requires elderly patients to consult with a doctor on that issue. the euthanasia statements have health care form supporters working furiously to stop public anxiety. they are using town hall meetings, now -- no matter how much of tempers flare. to get their message and the facts across. >> it now seems there is an intentional effort to distort what is in the legislation. that is confusing the public debate. >> president barack obama has two more town hall meetings scheduled for later this week. if the meetings we have seen are any indication, he will have a lot of explaining to do. >>> even though it appears the fi

many people say the voice is not in the bill, euthanasia is not in the bill, we are okay. if it is not clearly stated that euthanasia will not occur by any definition, or abortion will not occur by any definition, it can be too broadly interpreted and any of us as individuals can perhaps say my grandmother just died recently and i would never have dreamed of euthanasia for her. that is a wonderful thing to hear, but what about all the millions who could come under a plan that would cause them every year to have to think about their duty to die. >> a question for dr. harrison. as far as -- from my perspective, would hate -- this bill is going to go through one way or the other and it probably won't with the extreme provisions that the black community doesn't like but it will go for a defect physicians around the country and the physicians will then have to make decisions, are they going to be protected from that, to protect themselves from being put in a position where they might have to agree to certain circumstances? >> that is a big question. let me break it up. there

euthanasia, is that a bit much,? do you agree with we should tamp that down a little bit. >> definitely. >> i don't think that's a fair word to use. >> i agree. >> dr. whitfield you agree with that. >> definitely. >> that part is fiction or somewhere in the middle. you're talking about rationalizing health care. 70% of health care being used at the end of life. maybe we should get rid of the word euthanize and call it what it is. change that. so when you get to be an older person. then you get to use your health care in a way that you deem should be, it should be used. so good. we've gotten to the truth about that one. thank you very much. i want to you stick around here throughout the hour, we're going to take more of your questions. it really have hot out here in atlanta, georgia and all of my guests can attest to that parched. need some water. president obama's health care me meeting starts at 5:45 it could start at any minute. we're getting to the truth. getting to the bottom of what's going on with health care r

issue to rest. >> and let me start by dispelling the outlandish rumors that reform will promote euthanasia or cut medicate or bring about a government takeover of health care. that's simply not true. >> reporter: well, a senior administration official tells nbc news that the president told of palin's comments said it was unproductive for republican lead tors spread misinformation and back here in mexico a big health issue on the agenda, swine flu. the three leaders wanting to propose a coordinated response when flu season heats up this fall. lester? >> savannah guthrie in guadalajara. thank you. >>> gas prices are creeping up again. the latest lundberg survey shows the national average for regular jumped 16 cents to $2.64 a gallon. for more now on the economy, we're joined by cnbc's sharon epperson. we've seen some positive economic news lately. what should we be looking forward to in the week ahead? >> the week ahead will bring a lot of news for the consumer. the focus will be on the consumer and what is happening with retail sales. we get that data coming out on thursday for the month of

why are using is euthanasia arguments? >> it says and death with dignity -- to say that certain people over a certain age every year would have to have consultation -- and also perhaps understanding their duties to die -- all that is implied. if you have legislation that does not specifically say the "we will not provide funding for euthanasia" then interpretation can be very broad or limited. >> you said if well. the details have to be put forth. we have had a team looking at what is written in the 1000 pages. if this slim on details. i agree with her. >> does anyone else have questions, please? >> if you would like to speak to what i think a lot of people meant about the euthanasia argument is the issue of rationing. what that actually means. people are focusing on whether there really is a death penalty, or not. but when you look at the effectiveness research in the bill and decide who can have it based on age and quality of life, and projected years, those that he will euthanasia? connie with human events. >> if things

there'll be no euthanasia. and the people to whom you are listening with half an ear are telling you half the truth on a good day. the euthanasia scare comes from something as benign as a proposal to let you put in for insurance if you have to consult a doctor about what to do if you or a loved one are fatally ill. if you are where i was last march when i sat down with the doctors to talk about my mother. fatally ill, not awake, not aware. the health care reform will now pay you back for the doctor's fee for that conversation. it will pay you whether you decide to let your loved one go or you insist to the doctor to keep that one alive at all costs to treat them for months or years or decades more. this part of this bill originally co-sponsored by a republican congressman. and from that caring bipartisan starting point through her own parano paranoia, sarah palin has invented the boogyman of death panels. think, please, think before something horrible happens as you move to bellow that which you know not to be

you've got sarah palin, newt gingrich talking about euthanasia. what...how do you account for that? and how does the press break through and the average citizen break through to understand that that's a lie? >> that's one of those claims generated because a provision in the bill has meant... a provision of one of the bills has been seriously distorted. but in this case, news organizations have actually done a very good job debunking the claim. if you just simply count up the number of news organizations that have taken that on, gone to the provision, said, "it's not there; here's what this is," you'd say news has done a pretty good job. why is there still misinformation out there? because you have in these news accounts of the town halls people still shouting about death counsels or death panels. and as a result, it's still getting through in news despite news's own debunking of it. >> moyers: so it's an effective strategy? >> any strategy which takes the white house off message and puts the president in the position of having to deny the death panels are

, including selective standards. >> people in the government believing in establishing euthanasia.you are asking us to trust the government about asking us to make the decisions? of course people are concerned. mr. gingrich has been as enthusiastic as any figure on the right. in claiming health care reform and its prove ig to promote people making living wills should be viewed as a secret plot to kill old people. just a few weeks ago, mr. gingrich, however, was all for it. praising exactly the same kind of end of life counseling plan in the pages of "the washington post" that he now demonizes. july 2 he said in "the post -- so newt gingrich no only says advanced directives, living wills, are a great empowering thing for patient ps and their families to control and direct care, he thinks that everyone on medicare should get them, too. you mo what? that's exactly what was proposed in the house health reform bill which gingrich denounced is a secret plot to euthanize everyone. one more here. the person who probably has done more than anyone than betsy mccoy to promote this idea of liv

about what is in the house of representatives' version of health care reform bill, particularly euthanasia, which is not true. >> how concerned overall is the white house about the image of all of these angry folk at town hall meetings and what extefrnt extent to do they anticipate it t. >>> >> reporter: a sign of all of the anxiety out there and strikes a cord deep within people talking about changing something that's fundamental to their well-being especially for seniors as medicare and health care coverage. the president has time and time again, including this morning in his internet address gone out of his way to say, folks, you're going to have -- you're going to be better off in health care a result of the proposal, no caps in your coverage, they cannot deny you for preexisting conditions and that's what the white house is trying to say over and over again, to try to counteract some of the anger and anxiety that we see in town halls. >> looking at video now of the man who pushed his son with cerebral palsy. >> reporter: john dingell. >> you said you wanted me to ask the representativ

our euthanasia rate has jumped from 20% to over 40%. that's gigantic. >> the shelter hopes to expand adoption hours will help them find new homes for all of those precious pets. >>> the stage is set for a courtroom showdown over michael jackson's estate. katherine jackson asking a judge to give her some control over her son's millions. in the same courtroom, that same judge will rule on the custody agreement reached by katherine jackson and debbie rowe last week. joining me live, a criminal defense attorney and former prosecut prosecutor. what katherine jackson's asking for tomorrow is not more money. she already gets 40% of the will. >> she gets 40%. she wants to be a co-executor to make decisions as to the estate as she goes forward. that's what she's trying to do. >> she's trying to do that. johna, how much will this cross pollinate with the same judge in the courtroom? you have katherine jackson reportedly getting the custody, debbie rowe will get some visitation rights but no more money. she mass to care for these kids, katherine j

think this option calls for euthanasia, but the comments that the president has made off the cuff may be older people need to think that they would rather just take some pain medicine than have surgery and that kind of thing. it's a little scary for a lot of people. >> but to take what the president says about medication and what have you and to make it into euthanasia, that's a big leap. >> we're not doing that, but we are saying that people may have something to be fearful about. i have had grandparents that lived into their 90s and we were glad to pay for it. and i'm glad we all all of those choices available to us. >> and again, we want to get to the bottom of this and not go through all the rhetoric. >> way too strong a word, it's too hot of a word. we need to get down to the real issue which in our case would be free market, are we going to have choices that -- can we change the system so that we can get insurance in a different way, maybe not through our employer. >> even some of the language, when they say that people don't trust the elected officials, don't you think that's a

i heard no lawmaker propose anything close to euthanasia. so, chris, how do people who support health care reform and it's not just democrats, there are republicans who say it's time to reform the system, how do they bring this back to a logical, practical, realistic discussion? >> listen, i think the white house did a good job today in terms of launching this new website, you know, reality check which basically disproves these lies. >> do you think the people that are showing up at the town halls are really going to go on the white house website? >> i don't think they are, to be honest. i think this is not about winning people who already convinced in their minds they don't want health care reform for ideological or political reasons. it is about the overwhelming majority. wait a second, joe. it's about the overall majority of americans who want health care. so when you go out there and you press these lies this notion of death panel indirectly or not, it is a falsehood. the aarp, for example, had completely shot down this notion. there's n

>> about euthanasia, she totally made that up. there's nothing like that. i promised medicine for a long time, and of course you have to have end of life discussions if your patients want that. there is -- euthanisia is not in this bill. >> i think it actually is a bigger part of what we were talking about before, that's a serious allegation that's been out there for weeks, and it sort of built and built on talk radio and other venues that the president is pushing euthanasia. it hasn't really been encountered until now. >> the charge is one that is probably easily refutable, but it's out there now and is difficult to get any traction. >> to add on, there will be discussions of end of life decisions. that starts to muddy the waters. they should just stop with, not true. >> you all say sarah palin is misconstruing the facts here. is this what she wants to do, interject herself in debates like this? >> if she does, she'll be very effective at it, because it really is helping to drive the message. >> i'm not sure i entirely agree with that. i think she needs to

, including selective standards. >> people in the government believe in establishing euthanasia. you're asking us to trust the government about asking us to make the decisions? of course people are concerned. this is very dangerous. mr. gingrich has been as enthusiastic as any figure on the right in claiming that health care reform and its provision to promote people making living wills should be viewed as a secret plot to kill old people. just a few weeks ago, mr. gingrich, however, was all for it, praising exactly the same kind of end-of-life counseling plan in the pages of "the washington post" that he now demonizes. on july 2nd, he said in "the post," quote, more than 20% of all medicare spending occurs in the last two months of life. gunderson lute iran health system in la crosse, wisconsin, has developed a successful end-of-life best practice that includes community-wide advanced care planning, where 90% of pages have advanced directives. that's a living will. the gundersen approach you'res patients and families to control and direct their care. gundersen delivers care at a

let me start by dispelling the outlandish rumors that it will promote utah neighs euthanasia or cut medicaid or take over health care. that is simply not true. it's not about putting government in charge of your health insurance, it's about putting you in charge of your health insurance. under the reforms we seek, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. if you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan. while reform is obviously essential for the 46 million americans who don't have health insurance, it will provide more stability and security for the hundreds of millions who do. >> congress is on a month long summer vacation. lawmakers promised to take up the legislation when they return. >>> many of those law makers will spend part of the recess talking to their constituents about health care. so far town hall meetings have been a flash point and many turning ugly. why is it pushing the wrong buttons for people? >> when it comes to these demonstrations we've seen at town halls, are they organized or are they organic? i guess it's a little bit of both. let's st

over to the government when there clear are people in the government to believe in establishing euthanasiaeporter: the growing anger and and confusion offer the original 1,000 page bill has put the white house and democrats on the offensive. >> i've heard this is going to pay for abortion across america. not true in any version of the bill. sghits hard to have a discussion about health care reform if you don't really know what it's all about. >> reporter: which means if health care reform is going to happen by the end of the year, the public will want to hear more reasoning. >> why don't you go home. >> reporter: and less ranting. rachel martin, abc news, washington. >> and now here's a look at your monday forecast: severe weather could threaten pennsylvania, the ohio valley and midwest. the drought continues in south texas. >> you'lled in the 90s along the east coast today with peat advisories from philly to d.c. 8 s for shock, 108 in phoenixes 100 in sacramento, 6 8 in seattle, 76 in portland. >> a lot of people go to new orleans to paent the town red but over the weekend they really out

>> and i bet the word "euthanasia" is t ever going to appear in aiece of legislatn.>>omebody may make a decision that having luntary counseling st isn't worth it. >> moyers: don't know why they included that in the bill. >> it s a republican... >> moyers: yeah, yh, exactly. now 's backing away. >> you know, inow why. the... everyonwho has worked with elderly parentsr foresees a point at which they are gog to have to be maki these kinds of decisions hashought abo end-of-life issues. >>oyers: i had my mother when she was dyg, you know? had to face that. you... >> wl, and we... we've all been in this kind of a situation. and we're gointo be personally affected by is at some point. and wouldn't you like have at that poi the... the ability to sathat... that that discussion you'd like to ha with your doctor abouthat the options ok like? do you want to stay on a veilator under these kinds of circumstances? you know, at kind of heroic means do you want in case,ou know, you were in crital life support failure? how muchesuscitation do you want? do you want a do-not-resustate o

let me start by dispelling the latest rumors that reform will promote euthanasia or cut medicaid or bring about a government takeover of health care. that is simply not true. this is not about putting government in charge of your health insurance. it is about putting you in charge of your health insurance. other reforms we see, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. if you like your healthcare plan, you can keep your healthcare plan. while reform is obviously essential to the 46 million americans who do not help but health insurance, it will provide more stability and security to the hundreds of millions to do. right now we have a system that works well for the insurance industry, but that does not always work well for you. what we need, and what will happen with pass health insurance reform or consumer protections make sure that those who have insurance are treated fairly and that insurance companies are held accountable. we will require insurance companies to cover routine checkups and preventive care like mammograms and colonoscopy, or for exams for diabetics some of --, so

listen. >> let me start by dispelling the outlandish rumors that reform will promote euthanasia or cut medicaid or bring about a government takeover of health care. that is simply not true. insurance. it's about putting you in charge of your health insurance. >> julie: president obama said that reform is key to rebuilding the u.s. economy. henneberg is live in washington with more. >> republican said just the opposite. the president obama's healthcare expensive, and will hurt the u.s. economy. >> we are committed to helping more americans get health care coverage they need, not through nationalizing the system with a costly government-run plan, but rather by supporting free-market incentives to help small business owners take covert or accessible and affordable. >> democrats charge republicans with orchestrating mobs at town hall events. republicans have said these are americans with agenda concerns. the liberal website think progress.org has a number from a conservative group called right principles and lizing people to go to town halls and rock the vote early, watch for an opportunit

. >> i have heard that in some way this bill is going to force euthanasia. >> democrats propose in the like counseling to seniors who want it. what about age being a factor to treatment? >> what this country desperately needs is a real, honest discussion about what the problem is. we are going broke on health care. >> it is the cost of change that worries critics. >> the taxpayers are thinking, we have to pay for all of this. maybe we need to slow down. >> some 18 other participants are expected inside today's town hall in new hampshire and more people outside. many see it as a high-profile opportunity to get their messages across. in washington, wbal tv 11 news. >> secretary of state hillary clinton wants to make one thing clear. she is not her husband bill clinton. she was asked what former president bill clinton got about a financial issue. here is what she had to say. >> you asked my opinion? i will tell you my opinion. i will not be channeling my husband. >> the whole thing was a big misunderstanding. he said he meant to ask what president obama's thoughts were. the miss translati

. >> one of the worst i've heard is that this bill is going to force euthanasia. >> democrats to propose an of life counseling for those who wanted. -- 52-of-life counseling for those who want it. >> what the country wants is an honest discussion about what the problem is. we are going broke on health care. >> it is the cost of change that worries critics. >> taxpayers are worrying, we need to pay for all of this. >> his group is mobilizing protesters to show up. 70% of people got tickets by random lottery, so it could get boisterous. it could be rallies and counter rallies as critics and backers see today is a high-profile opportunity to get the message across. >> the first truck to develop a safe and effective the swine flu vaccine -- first trial to develop a safe and effective the swine flu vaccine is under way. young people and seniors lined up a theater receipt of maryland school of medicine to receive the vaccine. if they prove to be effective, the vaccine should be made available to the general public. >> we will come away from this understanding how much vaccine, how many doses,

some fear forced euthanasia of seniors. not true, he said, one of many wild rumors. >> where we do disagree, let's disagree over things real, not these wild misrepresentations that bear no resemblance to anything that has been proposed. >> reporter: participants were not screened but not disrupted. burr this was democrat arlen specter's town hall in pennsylvania. >> wait a minute. wait a minute. he -- wait a minute! >> reporter: democrat mccaskill's meeting. >> every time they say it's the manufacturers, they pour gasoline on the fire. >> heating up the summer depaet over what president obama calls health insurance reform. >>> the end of a 30-month investigation, house democrats say they have proof that karl rove and other top officials with the bush administration played a critical role in the firings of nine u.s. attorneys back in 2006. thousands of documents show what appears to be political interference with the justice department. according to transcripts of closed door testimony, former white hou counsel harriet miers

correct misinformation, including a baltimore -- including a false report that the plan includes euthanasia. >>> this is a weather alert. >> there is a lot of heat ingenuitand humidity out there. the track of these storms will take the bulk of the activity to the northeast of baltimore. the atmosphere is primed for these thunderstorms. the conditions are right. that is is why the thunderstorm watch is in effect for most of maryland. the watch means that we have the potential for seeing some of those thunderstorms. all of the conditions are there to seek the severe thunderstorms. cecil county is underneath a severe thunderstorm warning. that goes until 7:15 p.m. that means the storm is on our doorstep. the storm is getting ready to cross from pennsylvania into maryland. it has a history of producing wind gusts of over 60 miles per hour. there are trees down in pennsylvania. if you are in cecil county, get inside and stay inside as these storms pass through. they should be passing by around 7:30 p.m. after that, you should be able to get back outside. the temperatures are the other big story.

they're pressing the idea that this is going to fund abortions, this is going to do euthanasia. they're playing small -- the evangelicals who oppose it are playing small boar on it. obama will try to play big and talk about morals, and we'll see who wins out. >> panel, stay with us, we've got so much more coming up. appreciate your time tonight. >>> also, dick cheney's blowing off some steam about former president bush. it sounds like he believes the former president was a political sellout. that's next in my "playbook," and more with my panel. stay with us. ♪ well i was shopping for a new car, ♪ ♪ which one's me - a cool convertible or an suv? ♪ ♪ too bad i didn't know my credit was whack ♪ ♪ 'cause now i'm driving off the lot in a used sub-compact. ♪ ♪ f-r-e-e, that spells free credit report dot co baby. ♪ ♪ saw their ads on my tv ♪ thought about going but was too lazy ♪ ♪ now instead of looking fly and rollin' phat ♪ ♪ my legs are sticking to the vinyl ♪ ♪ and my posse's getting laughed at. ♪ ♪ f-r-e-e, that spells free- credit report dot com, baby. ♪ >>> it's not too late to

nothing in of the bills about euthanasia. >> it's all about perspective. when you're talking about insuring 47 million americans with health care and not raising the cost, where is the cost control coming from? especially when you have dr. emmanuel, one of the advisers to the president who has some, like, very questionable ethics with regards to health care. i mean, definitely that's going to raise red flags. >> quick final word. >> something is going to be passed in the fall. we'll see what it is. we're not going to get what we really need in this country, universal single payer. we might if we're lucky get a strong public option that will compete with the private plans. >> not with the government calling the shots. >> medicare and the v.a. >> we'll see where this goes. we've got to run, folks. dana, ron. thanks for being with us. ron, i know it's been an awfully long day for you. a lot more online. with all the shouting about not wanting this country to turn into france, great britain or heaven forbid, canada. log on to see how the other countries compar

power over to the government when there clearly are people in america who believe in establishing euthanasia including standards. >> let me explain what reform will mean for you and let me start by dispelling the outlandish rumors reform will promote euthanasia or cut medicaid or bring about a government takeover of health care. that's simply not true. >>> welcome to the dog days of august. joe scarborough with you on "morning joe" along with the new and improved, back from northeast harbor, mika brzezinski, and just crazier than ever. >> she looks rested. >> she does. also we have willie geist here. >> willie. >> actually we on "morning joe" do support turning willie over to the death penalty but, i mean, it's nothing personal. we have to cut somewhere. we have to cut somewhere. it's like logan's run, they all about around in those track suits and then they walk -- you can live to 30 and it's a great life. do you remember it from the 1970s? >> do you know what i'm looking forward to is when the new administration takes power and you're trying to get an ambassadorship and they go, no, no, no

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