that if a treatment cost over $500 it was euthanasia for the animal. now these are hard choices but it doesn't mean that those deaths were for the good of the animal or spared the animal suffering. it was for the needs of the hunl beings. >> barbara, reaction to what the professor is saying and when steven hawking said? >> i think it's a completely different set of principles values and beliefs. we should allow individual to make their own end of life choices because 2003 respect them as human -- because we respect them as human beings. we are respectful of their individualality and we should be respectful of their own decision, in perhaps the dying process has become too prolonged and they would like to take opeaceful graceful exit through death with dignity. >> right now in the u.s. four states have some sort of death with dignity law, washington oregon, montana and vermont. overall what would you like barbara to happen in the u.s., what kind of choice would you want people to have and are the laws in those states which actually are fairly restrictiv

normalization of homosexual, gay marriage, the right to abortion and perhaps even infanticide and euthanasia, from life to death, liberals also favor big government and declared the government should be secular, they mean by this that it should hold the basic world view of secular liberalism and establish it by force of law, that as we know means two things. first, big government should drive religion, especially christianity of of the public square to privatize bnl on the other side of the great wall of separation. second that big government should impose the predictable array of liberal moral positions on every one. note also in their belief system they have their own cosmological view that is the big picture the way they understand the universe, nature and human nature is essentially and self consciously godless and materialistic. that is it reduces human beings to the matter of their bodies, treats them as one more kind of animal in no way morally privilege or distinct from other animals and provides a distinct view of what life and death are. life is simply, collectively and that is the

normalization of marriage, the right to abortion and perhaps even infanticide and of course you have euthanasia. liberals also favor a big government and declared the government should be secular and secular rising. that is they mean by this that it should hold the basic world view of secular liberalism and establish it by the force of law that isn't natural. and that as we know means two things. first, that the government should drive religion especially christianity all of the public square and it is the privatized ghetto on the other side of the separation. second of the government should impose the predictable of array of liberal positions. in the belief system they've got their own cosmological few that is the big picture. the way the understand the universe is essentially and self consciously godless and materialistic. that is it reduces human beings to the matter of their bodies, treats them as one more kind of animal and no way privileged or distinct from other animals and what life or death are. it's a chemical activity. that means liberalism will have a particular way that it views po

euthanasia or homicide or whatever word you want to put on it.wn and i thought if we all leave the hospital, the patients will lie here and suffer. we can't save all of them. not all of them were on the border of death flth you have a heavy set man and the elevators were out and according to the staff, they discussed it and said we can't save him. he's too heavy and we're tire and who can carry him? what happens sometimes in disasters is you forget there is other possibilities out there. >> i don't know what struck you, but i found that everybody that -- i don't know how you did this. i would like to know that angle too. you really get a sense of humanity and their family and their thinking and what builds their thinking earlier in life. >> who they are. what i thought was so -- the crowning achievement of this book was the combination and i don't know that i have seen it before, of your exquisite reporting. like a forensic -- a person at a crime scene putting back together every piece and it's perfect. sometimes when you read books like that, yo

the cardiologist associations have now put out a statement saying that it is not euthanasia, it's not assisted suicide, it's perfectly porl and legal to have a pacemaker disabled. unfortunately, that statement came very, very late in the process for us. so i think it's an area where medicine is still kind of groping for answers and doesn't really know how to each discuss these questions. and maybe we as a culture, we're just not -- we don't, we don't really know how to do it yet, you know? >> host: katy butler, what did your parents, both your mom and your dad died, what did the end of their life care cost? >> guest: it's a very interesting question. neither of them had highly expensive deaths. if you look at my father's last five or six years of life, you get to probably about $80,000 worth. a pacemaker, that kind of stuff. my mother, on the other hand, very close to the end of her life refused open heart surgery, and then she had a heart attack, and the doctors again said let's do open heart surgery -- >> host: how old was she? >> guest: she was 84 at that point. and if we had done

about a week before that, dick armey evoked kevorkian, the euthanasia doctor.nger term question here about the future of the affordable care act. everybody knows right now hillary clinton is the front-runner if she runs for president in 2016. she very well may be our next president and implement the next phases of the affordable care act. you play this out five or ten years, what is this going to look like five or ten years from now? >> if hillary clinton runs for president there is no question she will run as the fiercest possible defender of the affordable care act. she has spoken about it since then. she talked about it the other day at cgi, off in another forum there. and her husband and they will be out there fighting for this as -- it will become her program if she's president. and she will do everything she can to put it in -- and it will become hillary care on the right. they will transition back to, okay -- >> hillary cares what they call it in the '90s. >> and it will be -- we'll revisit all of that. and -- but in a different position because people w

it sounds like a horrible, violent end, but in actuality it was a euthanasia that my father did, it waso jim crabtree's wife lita was diagnosed with alzheimer's at the age of 57 and jim's world was shattered. >> near the end rita was just a shell. the person i married was gone. >> reporter: jim, a former worse now working in disaster preparedness, struggled to cover the high costs of his wife's care. >> i was looking at ten years of care at like 6 grand a month. who has the money to do that? >> reporter: the price tag for caring for alzheimer's patients in america is $200 billion a year. that doesn't include the personal cost to families. >> there are over 15 million caregivers around the country working every day in unpaid care giving hours that they're contributing to their loved ones. it is an incredibly stressful situation. >> reporter: jim's parents in their 80s did what they could to help for rita. >> she had no idea how to shower herself. >> reporter: every day before going to work jim washed and dressed his wife and then drove her to his parents' home nearby. his dad was beginni