in the case of eva moskowitz, it's a nonprofit. however, eva pays herself half million.kes a lot of money out of it. so what we see here happening in new york city is the corporatization or the privatization of our public school system. and that's basically what it is that we're opposed to. >> what is she doing with the students in your opinion? >> she took them to albany. i was a new york city public school teacher for 25 years. in the 25 years i was a teacher, we hardly ever had a day that we could close school, never mind to take a trip to albany. who is paying for this trip? by what right does she have to unilaterally decide to close the schools. she claims that she was going to have lessons on the bus up to albany. i wonder what that lesson even looked like. >> okay. are these charter schools outperforming the public schools? is the only reason why the mayor shut these schools down is because they were looking for tax-free money? >> the mayor shut down these three schools because there are problems with these three schools. >> not performing? >> right. they're not p

eva moskowitz wants to have 100. >> she is? >> before city councilmember who ins the 22 success academies new york city. she has an interest in the failure of public schools, occupying public school space. she spends north of $1 million a year on advertising, $1300 per student. >> steve barr, you are the dot publicgreen schools, and california is an incubator of charter schools. you areu talk about how seeing the debate in new york city from your vantage point in los angeles? green dot public schools, and i care less about charter schools except how they affect public schools. i think there is research on what good school districts could become. i listen to a lot of teachers. they felt out of the decision-making process, and we used all of those reforms to be successful in areas where there are 50%, 60%, 70% dropout rate, we retain and graduate 80% and 90% of those same kids. i'm a public school advocate, and charters are a progressive tool. the other thing i would say is these are somehow private entities, it is no more of a p

it's all about eva moskowitz in this fight. i'm eva. talk to me. you're displacing my kids.y successful kids? >> it's not about eva or out or me. it's about the kids and coming up with a policy to fix our schools. as for the 194,000 kids we will find a location for them. >> even if miss moskowitz is in charge of those? >> of course. it's not about her but it's about fixing our schools overall. >> i got a really angry e-mail from mayor bloomberg. >> what? >> it ends up -- yeah. >> what did he say? >> i understated his income. it's not -- >> you don't do that with him. >> no. >> that was a faux pas. >> i did that on a jet with him. i was sitting with reverend al and john legend. i said how much he makes. he goes like this. >> next time, say 5 billion more than you think it is just to be safe. >> he was very angry that i said it in front of men. >> two things. i want to be clear. we are all for education here. we want the city to be better and i know you are too. >> help us achieve pre-k for every child in new york city. let's talk about that more. >> we are mad about something

there are a lot of kids that need the education. >> joining us is eva moskowitz. de blasio is trying to block, close down. how are you doing this morning? >> i'm good. 11,000 parents marching for a great, free education is very inspiring. >> what about governor cuomo yesterday? we're having a little bit of fun with him because this guy doesn't usually go out on a limb, but he did yesterday and he did it passionately. i haven't seen andrew cuomo this way and thank god he did on an issue this porng to the most disadvantaged kid. it was amazing to see him speak so passionately. and we did feel that we were alone. we have a mayor in the city of new york who says he's a progressive on the one hand but wants to deny poor kids in harlem an opportunity, a shot at life. >> what about the great irony that this is the guy and mika is a big supporter of bill de blasio's idea of pre-k. >> but what happens after they're 4? >> yeah. why do you stop supporting the most disadvantaged kids at 4? what good does it do if do you that till they're 4 and then shut school choices to thei

he was an outspoken opponent of charter schools, questioning eva moskowitz.being tolerated, enabled and supported. he also said there is no way in hell that eva moskowitz should get free rent. 55% of students passed english exams last year. 83% passed math zblun believable. not only is it above city averages but some schools are being shut down, some classes that are doing better than like scarsdale. they always talk about the harlem scarsdale comparison. the dream has been to get harlem at least up on course, on par with that. that is happening right now. and this is so personal for him and such a petty attack, because he promised the teachers unions, elect me and i'm going to destroy these schools up in harlem and other place that is have some of the best success stories in new york. >> i think it's a slightly broader issue. there's a deep philosophical question of whether all kids should be educated together and the kids who are not as capable will benefit from being in classroom with his the more capable and the whole concept of public edition meaning eve

. >> look into the face of the kids at ps-30, and ps-149 who have had to share space with eva moskowitz's empire. look at the music space that lost its program, the theater program, the physical therapy program that lost its space. >> you're saying there are losers we aren't seeing from the existing set of arrangements. >> absolutely. absolutely. i don't want to begrudge any student or family success. we're getting into a dangerous territory here. >> okay. here's the thing i want to know. >> sure. >> 160 public schools were closed during bloomberg, some of which over huge, huge community pushback. i did not see the charter movement, did not see the big donors for these places running rallies or ads like that, multimillion dollar ad campaigns. when neighborhood schools got closed against the community wanting them closed, there was no one there to stage rallies except the folks in the neighborhood. you try to close a charter school, there are a lot of people writing big checks. >> there's a simple difference. the charter school is really literally one of the highest performing schools in t

eva moskowitz is filing a federal civil rights lawsuit to overturn the mayor's decision to prevent ale school from co-locating in a public school building in central harlem. mayor bill de blasio commented on one of the schools this morningen. >> p.s., 8/11, the mickell mantle school is in that space, just for special education kids i c kids with severe challenges. that school would have to be smaller. we need to take care of special education kids this is a facility working for special education kids. we want to reach more special education kids. >> well, new york naacp president hazel dukes made a statement blasting the suit against de blasio saying the lawsuit is an outrageous and ainsulting attempt by wall street hedge fund managers to hijack civil rights in shameless political attack on bill de blasio. hazel dukes is attending a civil rights education rally held at p.s. 811 in harlem. joining me tonight on rapid response panel, dr. michael eric dyson, and lee ann hamson, director of class size matters. great to have both yof of you w us. does eva actually have a civil rights case

the deal is a big win for success academy ceo eva moskowitz.ity of new york will provide space for three success academy schools, moskowitz wa wanted to open in already established public facilities. moskowitz lobbied hard. in albany, after mayor de blasio axed three of her planned charters last month governor andrew cuomo made fighting for charters one of his key priorities, putting him at odds with the mayor of new york. here's the bottom line: when you start picking and choosing kids to go to this school, that school, whatever school, public education won't get the resources and will suffer. new york is not the only region and state fighting for public education. it's happening all over the country. in florida they've been fighting to keep resources in public schools since 1995. now, in wisconsin, republican governor scott walker, he wants to be hero of charter schools as well. in fact, he's one of the biggest proponents of charter schools in the country. he, of course, is for school vouchers and he has cut over a billion dollars from public

it was also good for eva moskowitz schools and the students because they found out yesterday he is goinggure out a way to take care of them, that they are going to have a place to continue learning, and with eva moskowitz head of those schoolhouse. >> i think the reason it took the time to do the interview, an issue like that is so complicated. it's not black and white. there's not one side that's right and one side that is completely, completely wrong. on a broad level, it's actually a national story and it's extremely complicated. i thought the mayor did a great job stating his case and i think if you're on the mayor's side with this, you would think he got his part out and i certainly heard from a lot of people who are in support of charter schools who feel the same way. >> i think that the mayor's biggest problem right now, you know? you can search twitter and find somebody that believes just about anything, but i will say in this case, the approach he took was just dumb founding to about anybody unless they were in a teachers union just judging from the response in twitter. he doesn

he's got a problem with eva moskowitz and a problem with charter schools what he does with the rest ofls in new york. clearly if it was an easy issue to deal with, obviously, somebody would have done it. it's so convoluted and a mess and he stepped in it. >> you can afford to be an ideologue when you're in washington, d.c. but not in you're mayor in the largest city of america. >> he sat here. >> across the spectrum they are questioning the mayor's competence and ideology and who he is getting advice from and whether he has senior enough people with political smarts. having bill clinton give you advice -- >> i wouldn't underestimate bill de blasio. this is all about bill de blasio, not about bill clinton. the fact he would listen, take the advice, move forward and shift on something. it is sort of one of those reagan moments that al was talking about, where you have your feet planted in cement but it's cracking. >> joe, to your point about taking that advice, not having a long memory as a politician, i think there are probably a lot of democrats who would find that ironic coming from t