i happen to know that evan bayh under no circumstances would have voted to increase the debt. and i was asked to stick with the team. and i said my conscious won't let me do that. we're going to go home and increase the debt ceiling. do you understand the impact that's going to have on the international marketplace? we got it done. don't be so sure that you don't get to this point and you got some people who are very stubborn and basically say stick it. >> if you want wait one second. i want to do a quick poll. how many people think there will be an increase in the debt ceiling before august 2nd? 20. how many know? 20 as well? just 40. 20-7. just the second part of this -- >> august 9th. i'm in neither camp. >> why august 9th? >> i think when they go to the brink, they will go slightly over it. >> oh, so it wasn't framed correctly. mymy -- [laughter] >> that's what happens. when i get in trouble, i blame maya right away. >> we sell utah. [laughter] >> i thought it was new jersey. it's old the old joke. >> we get one for utah. will such a deal, whatever say it happens, get us t