evan esnos has been covering china and east asia for "the new yorker." article called "jared kushner is china's trump card" tracks inside this white house. welcome to the program. >> thanks for having me. >> you have written extensively now about china and the jared kushner connection. i'm interested because you say that, you know, for a long time everyone has been worried about russia's political influence in the united states, but that the intelligence community is equally worried about china's influence. what exactly are they worried about? >> well, over the last several years china has made a more concerted push to try to practice what's known as influence operations. these are the kind of in some ways conventional intelligence operations that seek to effect policies in foreign countries. the difference i suppose between what's happening -- what russia is doing and china is trying to do is russia after all, as we know, tried to effect the outcome of an outcome of a election in the united states in 2016. china takes a different approach. what they've