now, meanwhile, utah's democratic voters are backing evan mcmullen. s a democrat, because the state is so overwhelming conservative, democrats know they have no shot so they are secretly funding and helping and assisting and aiding and abetting mcmullen in this scam, pretending to be an independent. it is deceptive. it is dishonest. pretty repulsive and disgusting. meanwhile republican senator mike lee, one of the most honest, thoughtful, productive, intelligent, a real constitutionalist, a member of the u.s. senate that has an impeccable conservative track record -- and, by the way, this race could also decide the power in the u.s. senate. so to people in utah, do they want to give biden and the democrats a rubber stamp for the next two years? joining us with more, utah republican senator, let's give a warm nevada welcome to our friend, senator mike lee of utah. [applause] >> sean: how are you, senator? >> good. if things don't work out in utah, i think you have a home here. you know, what i don't like is the outright dishonesty. you have 49 republica

evan mcmullen truly represents your values, really, whichalues. values are those? does evan mcmullin oppose amnesty for illegal migrants? does he oppose race crazed teachers unions?e am as he oppose even tony fauci? >> no, of course not. evan mcmellon is fully on board with every anti family scheme. the democratic party has dreamed up over the last decade as a supposedly faithful mormoni . >> he can't even acknowledgeckne that roe v. wade was a bad decision. decisio he is a neo liberal robot. he is a there's nothing independent about him.h him read the watch him read theocrati democratic party's talking points, for example,c on abortion, i am committed t the sanctity of life, butsancti i think that means that means. th the lives of women means the lives of unborn. and of course. u and it means a life, the lives of children. we have and i think we've got to take a more comprehensive approach to that. >> but just to be clear, you don't support overturninge as roe v. wade anymore as you did in 2016.n >> i'm just trying20 to i d get clarity. way fo i do not i do not thi

democrats figured that may be the best shot to dethrone mike lee from his seat, have at it, evan mcmullen. here is the reality. these two guys agree on probably most public policy issues, but this january 6th issue is the dividing line, it is the rational for mcmullen's campaign. you have former cia officer as you know. so this is what the campaign is about. whether or not mike lee, when you noticed through the text messages with mark meadows, through his actions to try and challenge the electoral college results initially, all of that is exactly what mcmullen is citing as to why your argument you're a constitutional conservative doesn't hold water. it is a very republican state, some polling out there limited -- has shown it closer than folks would expect. i still think in this political environment, this is probably an uphill battle for mcmullen. >> so interesting to watch, though. we are even talking about it. then in georgia, where you have this rematch, right, it is 2022, but 2018 is clearly not water under the bridge for stacey abrams and governor kemp here. this is a moment from th

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. >>> coming up, we are looking at evan mcmullen.man who unfortunately knows all too well about what happens when violence can get out of control when it comes to political candidates. he had his own run-in with this in recent moves. he's involved in a super tight race in utah for the senate seat. we'll talk to him next. ♪ it's our turn now we'll make it up again. ♪ ♪ we'll build freelance teams with more e agility. ♪ ♪ the old way of working is deader than me.e. ♪ ♪ we'll scale up, and we'll scale down ♪ ♪ before you're six feet underground. ♪ ♪ yes, this is how, this is how we work now. ♪ beta. your sherwani, pappa? those who came before us had the vision. hey lexus, take me to c studio. they knew what imeant to keep evolving, and never give up. ♪ they saw the future. ♪ can you? ♪ the next generation lexus rx. with its bold design, intuitive technology, and dynamic performance, you'll never lose your edge. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ they say you eat with your eyes first, so here's a good look at our new thick n fluffy french toast. arti

. >> evan mcmullen isn't kidding himself >> i think party does matter. >> reporter: he is hoping utahit aside. >> i am a registered independent. i don't care what your party affiliation is or who you voted for in the last election. if you are committed to our core ideals as a country. >> reporter: his long shot bid against the incumbent trump backed senator mike lee is about utah as much as the future of the republican party. one mcmullen used to call himself part of. >> there is no going home to donald trump for true conservatives. >> reporter: in 2016 mcmullen ran as an independent for that reason and lee his now opponent actually voted for him then. but times have changed. >> are you ready to stand with me and millions and millions of others who want four more years? >> reporter: unlike most third-party candidates mcmullen is in a one-on-one race with democrats staying out of it >> i think it is important to look at the reality of the races we're running. the democrat was not going to win the utah senate race. >> reporter: it comes as 39% of americans say they're disillusioned with

independent candidate and professional grifter, evan mcmullen. now, what does that hold out produce? a flurry of puff pieces. >> evan mcmullen is asking people from both parties to join his campaign to win a senate seat as an independent from utah. >> our democracy is at great risk right now. we will decide as a nation over the next two cycles, this cycle and the next whether we're a democracy or head down the report of authoritarianism. >> laura: now, mcmuffin is a champion of democracy. he's the plucky underdog. not the guy whose wayward 2016 independent bid resulted in 670,000 in unpaid bills. >> mcmullen says he understands the challenge but urges voters to see his allegiance is to utah, not a political party. >> i'm not running to be a boot liquor for the leader of any party or president of any party. i will work with anybody to get things done for our state and country. >> laura: i was expecting there jeff and mcmuffin to go full spooning. >> senator lee was willing to sacrifice our constitution and his oath to it in order for him and his a

running against mike lee, but what you will find being is that the democrats actually endorsed evan mcmullent's a simple solution here. it's an independent and appealing to democrats have put him in there in a situation where that's the only way he has a go to win. but if you look at your facts here, this is the closest race the last 50 years of the utah senate, is actually closer than i'd expected. i firmly believe likely, his views and what he said are very valid. mr. mcmullen was really going at him against the certification of donald trump's win of the president. and i really feel like if the voters really see where mike lee has done for this for utah, i feel like it's going to be a dog fight till the end. >> carley: three debates on the one single night, all the races are close and it's getting down to the wire. thank you all so much. social media erupting in reaction to this claim that the president played about the price of gas in california. >> it seven bucks a gallon almost. >> todd: republican gubernatorial candidate lee zeldin tweeting "false." gas in california was less than half

but evan mcmullen is asking voters from both parties to join his insurgent campaign to win a senate seatependent from utah. >> our democracy is at great risk right now and we will decide as a nation over the next two cycles, this cycle and the next, whether we still are a democracy or whether we're going to head down a road towards authoritarianism. >> reporter: in one of america's most conservative states, mcmullen is going against the grain to challenge two-term republican senator mike lee and to take on the entrenched two-party system in washington. it's become one of the most unique senate races of the fall, after democrats here decided to stand down and not field a candidate. ben mcadams is a former democratic congressman and mayor of salt lake county who is supporting mcmullen. >> we've been calling on republicans for many years to put their partisanship aside and do what's right for the country and i think this was a time for utah democrats to do the same. >> reporter: as he introduces himself to voters, mcmullen talks about his service as an undercover cia officer. >> my experien

we just saw mike lee in that debate with evan mcmullen.you think he's so defensive, given all your reporting, why so defensive? other republicans are, too, to the extent about what they did in an around january 6th. >> yeah, look, mike lee was trying to play both sides of the coin when it came to the president's big lie. right after trump lost his re-election, he was one of the people out there telling the president, you know, that he should challenge this, that he should fight in the courts, and that's significant, because, you know, mike lee, he has a background as a former clerk for supreme court justice, he's sort of seen as this guy that knows ins and outs of the legal system. so, that really revved trump up, one of the voices revving trump up. and then he saw there was no evidence and we've seen from reporting since then from other reporters, not necessarily ourselves in this book, but that lee had an about-face and clearly he decided that he has to certify the election, because there was just no evidence of what trump was saying in

evan mcmullen is running as an independent, ran for president in 2016, but he's courted the democrats raise money, keep a democrat out of the senate race there to make it more of a head to head match-up. so we'll have senator mike leone with us on sunday, we invited evan mcmullen as well, the door is open, but senator lee will talk about it on sunday. >> jacqui: fascinating interview and race to watch. you heard it here, president biden, or excuse me, shannon has mike lee coming up on the show on fox news sunday, be sure not to miss that. >> sandra: we'll be watching. jacqui, thank you. president biden pushing ahead meanwhile with his plans to pay off student loan debt for millions of americans with election day right around the corner. larry kudlow has a lot to say about that. a few things that, is. he'll join us. the inflation buzz word. as if inflation magically goes away and then suddenly returns. but inflation never really goes away. each year - by some measure - the dollar declines in value. well - here's something else that doesn't go away... gold and silver. rosland capital -

because you have evan mcmullen, an independent, previously a republican.e no mistake about it. he steps forward, announces i'm running as an independent against mike lee. and the democrats fold their tent. they realize they can't beat mike lee so they coalesce around evan mcmullen. should he win would he caucus with the r's or the d's? he said no, i'm going to be an independence. he could be joe manchin and kerr stun cinema on steroids. >> the reason it would be hard for him to do the conventional wisdom is that theoretically he gives up committee assignments. angus king and bernie sanders, bernie is an i but caucuses with the d. i had the opportunity to talk to him on my program, are you going to do that and wouldn't it be to the detriment of utah if you didn't have committee assignments. he has an argument where he says he would get committee assignments. we'll see if he wins. >> he has a vote. so he obviously could be very important. that could certainly be impactful here. i want to ask you about a moment getting a lot of attention and that is jonathan

we'll talk to him about the accusations evan mcmullen has thrown at him. talk to democratic texas congressman henry cuellar about the border and his tight race, too. you'll hear from both sides of the aisle on sunday. >> kevin: any chance i'd get to listen to cuellar talk about what is happening there at the border, he's got a great deal of credibility. glad you're going to have him on the show. i look forward to his comments and fielding your tough questions. speaking of tough questions, there's a lot of tough questions out there on what is happening and what is going on and the state of the country quite frankly, shannon. voters in many parts of this country right now are vexed with high inflation, high food costs and obviously high energy and across-the-board, many people in many places just want change or they just want solutions. speaking of -- i want to share the very latest monmouth surrae and get your take on it. a lot of -- survey and get your take on it. a lot of different takes when you talk about what people are focusing on. some people are tal

the invitation to evan mcmullen remains open as well. it's an unusual race that republicans shouldn't have to be worrying about defending but it does show there's some tension within the party on the senate side, too. >> neil: to put it mildly. look forward to that, shannon. ashley, looking forward to working with you every day. meantime here, a lot of big events monday. the first tryouts for those that want to be prime minister in britain. on this side of the pond, the first report card for our kids and how their great are looking. they're expected to be bad. in fact, expected to be awful. that's got former florida governor jeb bush worried. he devoted his life to education and he doesn't like what we're seeing right now. he's next. but my body was telling a different story. i felt all people saw were my uncontrolled movements. some mental health meds can cause tardive dyskinesia, or td, and it's unlikely to improve without treatment. ingrezza is a prescription medicine to treat adults with td movements in the face and body. it's the on

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now, evan mcmullen, or as myr eg friend rod arquette calls him, egg mcmuffin, he's runningnal lt a traditional left wingca political campaign. >>mpaign, tr he's taking money,e amounts of money from democrats all across the country. suphe's being supported by a super liberal pac with donations pouring in from liberal california, including substantial funding from atw least one big tech billionaire. now, mcmullen is also sending noney to democratic firms to help with his campaign. now, meanwhile, utah's democratic voters, they're backing evan mcmullin, butbecaus he's not running as a democrat because the state is so n overwhelmingly conservative. >> democrats know they have nohn shot, so they are secretlystin funding and helpingn in and assisting and aiding and abetting mcmullen in the scam, pretending to be an independent. it is deceptive. pretty repulsives dish pretty repulsive and disgusting. >> and meanwhile,meanwhil mike lee, on mike lee, ve one of the most honest, thoughtful, productive, intelligent, a reale constitutionalist, a member of the u.s. senate that has has an impeccable conserva

yet, here's the point, 6 years later, evan mcmullen is running for senate in utah against the incumbente lee and he could win. if mcmullen wins, his vote could give democrats control of the u.s. senate. how is this possible? it doesn't make sense. utah is a conservative and republican state. mcmullen has the same world view as pete buttigieg, a liberal democrat. but he is not running as a liberal democrat and that's the key to his success. he is running as an independent. many voters appear to be under the impression he is independent. but he is not. that's a lie. mcmullen is as independent as kamala harris is. he is less independent than omar il ilhan. ilhan omar. he uses the democratic fund-raising program act blue -- co founded by a biden advisor. there are blueprint public affairs, all democratic party firms. in politics you pick a side in the consultants you hire. mcmullen picked his side, the democratic side. the creepy liberals at the lincoln project are pretending that mcmullen is not one of them. repub republicans, mcmullen represents your values. really? which values are those

. >> he's no longer a republican and he's never been a democrat but evan mcmullen is asking voters from join his insurgent campaign to win a senate seat as an independent from utah. >> our democracy is a the great risk right now. we will decide over in cycle and the next whether we are a democracy or whether we're going to head down the road of authoritarianism. >> he is going against the grain to challenge mike lee and take on the entrenched two-party system in washington. it's become one of the most unique senate races of the fall after democrat here decided to stand down and not field a candidate. ben mcadams is a former democratic congressman and mayor of salt lake county who is supporting mcmullen. >> we've been calling on republicans to put politics aside and do what's right for the country and it's time for the democrats to do the same. >> reporter: he talks about his service as an undercover cia officer. >> my experience in the agency shaped the way i look ot our country. >> and why he left the republican party in protest of drath, even nousing a presidential campaign for 2016.

many are backing evan mcmullen. congressional staffer, he says if elected he will refuse to caucus with either party in the senate. lee claims mcmullen is just a democrat. >> mcmullen supports joe biden and his policies, reliable democratic vote. right now we have a democratic congress that rubber stamps everything joe biden does and he wants more spending, that results inflation. evan mcmullin would support that. >> he is focused on lee's text messages with mark meadows after the 2020 election. meadows was then president trump's chief of staff. lee wrote meadows about ways to challenge the election and mentioned alternative slates of delegates. mcmullin calls it "rich" when lee talks about the importance of the electoral college. >> i think you knew how important it was when you sought to urge the white house that lost an election to find fake electors to over turn the will of the people. the most agregious betrayal by a u.s. senator i believe and it will be your legacy. >> lee maintains he was only researching pos

he's running against evan mcmullen. he's made serious charges. we have senator lee with us. and congressman henry cuellar who tried to raise the alarm numerous times with the border. whether he's gotten help from the white house, we'll see. >> thanks, shannon. >> thanks, rich. >> up next, a look at the high tech weapons coming to the battlefield in ukraine. here's what some of our local affiliates are covering tonight. fox 61 in hartford, thousands gather for the funeral of officers killed in an a pair rent ambush. the service for the officers was held at the university of connecticut's football stadium. a widow of a former university of southern california football player sues the ncaa for failing to protect her husband from repetitive head trauma. his widow says matthew gee died in 2018 from permanent brain damage by blows to the head. he played for the 1990 rose bowl winning team. the ncaa said his death was caused by heavy drinking, drugs and other problems. a live look at honolulu. hawaii gets their first chick-fil-a restaurant. customers lined up at 4:00 a.m. three oth

thrown politically speaking, meantime over in utah, republican turned democrat leaning independent evan mcmullenually booed with g incumbent mike lee. >> that was the most egregious trail of our nation's constitution in its history by a u.s. senator and it will be her legacy. senator lee is still casting doubt. [boos] >> boo in meantime in the great state of georgia, a very solid debate performance herschel walker seemed to suggest in his chat with our sean hannity georgians don't have to send raphael warnock back to washington because even if they do once he gets there he will just do whatever joe biden and nancy pelosi tell him to. >> he has voted with him 96% of the time. he either is a rubber stamp for joe biden or he has no clue what he is doing. everyone said joe biden is headed in the wrong direction which means he is as well. >> while that was a nice congenial conversation, not so much. what wade took a look at an interesting night on the debate stage between stacey abrams and the governor brian kemp of georgia. >> how many sheriffs statewide have publicly endorsed her campaign? >> mr. k

we call him egg mcmuffin, evan mcmullen, is out there pretending to be something that he's not. he is a romney republican. i hope the people in utah are smart enough to understand. >> you are exactly right. this race in utah, mike lee, unfortunately has a real race. i am campaigning for mike. mike is phenomenal. mike lee is one of the greatest senators ever to have served in the united states and is. he's a brilliant constitutional scholar. he's a fierce and ferocious fighter over and over again for a decade. mike and i have been side-by-side and shoulder to shoulder fighting to defend freedom and defend the constitution and to merge our own party to stand up and actually do what we promise to do. here in utah the democrats are doing something really deceptive and dishonest. the democrats have not run a quote, democratic candidate. they decided not to nominate anyone at all. instead you have mcmuffin who is theoretically running as an independent. he's running as an independent and the democratic party has endorsed him. they are raising millions of dollars through active blue, t

independent evan mcmullen is blasting lee over his actions after the 2020 election. >> if you are committed to the constitution, then to stand up for free and fair election presented for the peaceful transfer of power. there is absolutely nothing to the idea that i would ever have supported ever did support burst onto the scene as an independent i deeply believe donald trump harms the strength and prosperity of this country very. >> in utah i had this character that nobody ever saw before, evan mcmuffin do you believe this? >> mcmullen is still behind in the polls. if he does when he has vowed not to caucus with either party. that means in the senate that could be held by the slimmest of margins, mcmullen might end up being a swing vote. meanwhile senator lee finds himself making an 11th hour plea for help from a fellow utah republican. >> if you would like to protect the republican majority give us any chance of seizing the republican majority please get on board, help me win reelect reelection. >> told me not utah senator mike lee. senator welcome back to fox fox news sunday. >> thank you

i will say this for evan mcmullen. he is a republican even if now he's an independent. n in 2016 against president trump. senator lee acknowledges that he voted for mcmullen, even though they're running against each other in 2016 as a protest vote. the other thing is that mcmullen is representing this sort of never trump wing of the party. i don't think you can cast him as a democrat. even though you are right, democrats are backing him now. >> well, we will see in 2012 with senator angus king. >> do you all claim mcmullen? you are bumping him. >> we are not funding him. i will say he's coming to washington, d.c. as an independent person, he will be popular on both sides of the aisle as he tries to get stuff done. >> positive with joe manchin. he wants to be the first. >> you're right about that. >> i guess andrew yang was right. that is a fascinating race. so many different permutations. and of course we will continue to cover it. okay. now to this. americans are struggling with rising costs as you know from gas pump to the grocery store. and now it is even getting more

and utah independent evan mcmullen attacking mike lee accusing him of betraying america on january 6th text messages he sent to mark meadows in the leadup to the attack on the capitol. lee denied any wrongdoing. >> no bears in georgia. in a rematch of a fiery debate for the same job in 2018, republican governor brian kemp and democratic challenger stacey abrams made their final appeals to voters last night. the stakes were arguably higher for abrams who has trailed in the most recent polls. with us now to discuss, cnn political director david chalian. david, it is so great to talk to you, because there has been just a bounty of debates to watch and moments to see and perhaps the testiest of all of them was this ohio debate, that we watched between jd vance and tim ryan. i want to play a moment from this, this has to do with replacement theory, race obviously in this debate. >> this great replacement theory was the motivator for the shooting in buffalo, where that shooter had all these great replacement theory writings that jd vance agrees with, some sicko got this information that he's

you've got a candidate in evan mcmullen is whoo is an independent, who ran in 2016. he got about 25% of the vote in utah when he ran in 2016. so they've got some familiarity with him there. so we'll see where this plays out. i think one of the stories about this entire campaign cycle is thattin co-- incumbents have be strong and including in utah. ultimately mait seems like incumbents have been able to pull ahead in utah and other states as well. >> and what jeremy was talking about at the top of the show. president biden is making an effort today to put abortion squarely on the ballot, back in the spotlight for voters with this speech and promise that he's making today. what do you think it does? >> listen, i think it reminds democratic voters and independent voters of the stakes. one of the reasons that you have democrats including biden wanting to talk about abortion, they feel like it paints a republicans as extremist. and so if you could remind democrats, if you could remind independents, if you could remind sort of suburb swing voters, college educated, white v

and we go liv now to utah where republican senator mik lee will debate hisndependent challenger evan mcmullennator lee has held office since 2011 and seeking a third term. tonight's deba is hosted by the judgment the utah debate division. live coverage now on c-span. >> the utah debate commission welcomes you to the senate candidates' debate. ♪ >> good evening and welcome to a debate featuring candidates running for the united states senate, i'm doug wright from ksl radio and television and my pleasure to moderate tonight's exchange sponsored by the utah debate commission, an organization dedicated to educating voters and encouraging the civil exchange of ideas. the candidates who are invited to speak here tonight are the republican incumbent, mike lee, and independent candidate evan mcmullin. during this debate, the candidates will be answering my questions as well as those from a panel of currentlyists and from students, and you're welcome to participate in it, also. if you're watching or listening live, you can send your reaction and your questions on social media to the #utdebates. i'll f

. >> over in utah republican turned democrat-leaning independent evan mcmullen was booed at his debate with g.o.p. senator mike lee. >> senator lee, that was the most egregious betrayal of our nation's constitution in its history by a u.s. senator, i believe, and it will be your legacy. senator l is still casting doub. [boos] >> please. >> well, there's a lot of that meantime while that was all going down across the country, over in the great state of georgia stacey abrams and governor brian kemp squared off. >> how many sheriffs statewide have publicly endorsed your campaign? >> mr. kemp, what you are attempting to do is continue the lie that you have told so many times. i think you believe it's the truth. i support law enforcement and did so for 11 years. >> ms. abrams refused to answer the question so i will let you know that the answer is brother. no sheriffs are endorsing her statewide because of her distances on wanting to defund the police. >> well, and speaking of georgia, fresh off a very solid debate performance, herschel walker seemed to suggest in his chat with our sean han

kind of what we're seeing evan mcmullen mount against mike lee.that for true old school conservatives, a return of donald trump is the opposite of everything they believe and they're not going to simply appease him as some folks looking to get into power in the short term do. >> she wasn't focused on this. the republican party rules in the primary benefits someone who can get 30, 40%, which is donald trump. she may be right that it will splinter. but if it splinters he may be the beneficiary, which isn't what she was focused on there. thank you for being here. i didn't talk about sports. >> you were thinking about it. >> i was off camera smirking. >> i thought i'd share it with the viewers. >>> a new report shows concerns over further slowing of the economy. what else are economists predicting? >>> reaction to the historic decline in test scores because of the pandemic. yes, i need a trim. i just want to be able to cut the damage. we tried dove instead. so, still need that trim? oh my gosh! i am actually shocked i don't need a haircut. don't trim

but evan mcmullen is running at a, quote, independent but he's really a democrat because they didn't has said he won't necessarily caucus with the republicans to mike lee is making the point, if we want to keep a republican majority in the senate, and not a democrat, not chuck schumer in control, then vote for mike lee. and that message is now starting to resonate there in utah where i think he's going to bring it together in the closing two weeks. the tough one that we're supporting is arizona with blake masters. maria: yes. we'll be watching that of course as well. david, good to see you this morning. thanks very much, david mcintosh joining us. quick break and shocking new numbers from the southern border, it shows 2.3 million illegal crossings in just one fiscal year. what you need to know. then president biden's student loan bailout dead in the water for now apparently. we're going to tell you why and what the new court ruling has to say about it. stay with us. ♪ please don't wake me. ♪ no, don't shake me. ♪ leave me where i am. ♪ i'm only sleeping. maria: tune in to "mornings w

. >> when democrats and independents like evan mcmullen engage and take the fight around democracy, thenomy, social issues directly to what republicans have basically put into a vanilla envelope of whatever they feel or want to say, they score points, and it resonates with voters. tough translate that in the remaining couple of weeks of this campaign into a turnout model, turnout effort. but they are there. where the voters are not responsive, where they've sat back in the case of arizona, sat back in the case of pennsylvania, quite honestly, where dr. oz has been able to make a case against fetterman on crime. you see those polls tightening in a generic ballot that's flipping back towards republicans and you're seeing among white suburban women, a wholesale move away from democrats that we saw at the end of the summer, beginning of the fall, by some 33 points. that's alarming. is it time to make up? yeah, probably, but it's going to be, as we see in the clips you showed, on a case by case democrat versus republican basis. >> yeah. and howard, i know that -- i know you love jay-z and be

i thought we would be talking about for the midterm cycle and we have, mike lee is up against evan mcmullen and he's been outspoken, an outspoken critic against donald trump and the republican party as it stands. and he has come away with a very tight race with mike lee, who was one of the people that tried to help keep donald trump in office in the aftermath of the 2020 election. let me play a clip of mike lee, and tucker carlson, asking for help from mitt romney. >> i've asked him, i'm asking him right here, again, tonight, right now, please, get on board, help me win re-election. help us do that. >> i deeply respect senator romney's leadership in the senate, for utah and for our country, and i respect and appreciate his decision to stay out of this race. >> mitt romney, as evan mclittlen has said, stayed out of this race, no love lost between mitt romney and mike lee. what is happening in utah? >> it is extraordinary to think that a republican incumbent senate candidate in utah could lose his re-election bid to an independent candidate, but mike lee is only five points ahead in the lates

could royal the politics of the senate, if there's basically a 50/50 senate again and you've got evan mcmullennt instead of the republican, mcmullen says he's not going to caucus with either party. that could make crazy politics on capitol hill. >> jonathan allen, we would love to have you back before the midterms, and we appreciate your analysis this morning. up next on "way too early," the republican senate candidate working with a law firm that played a role in efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election. we'll tell you who that is. >>> and coming up on "morning joe," more highlights from last night's debates in ohio, georgia, and utah. plus, steve kornacki, he'll be at the big board. >>> and white house adviser, keisha lance bottoms will join the conversation with a preview of the president's expected remarks at a dnc event today. >> and former israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu is a guest. "morning joe" is just moments away. a guest. "morning joe" is just moments away this is art inspired by rl stories of bipolar depression. i just couldn't find my way out of it. the lows of

another issue that came up last night and the utah debate, the senate debate between mike lee and evan mcmullenackdrop to this, obviously senator lee had encourage president trump to challenge the 2020 election results after later reversing course, and all of this is unfolding against a striking new poll that came out recently with registered voters from the new york times and siena college asking people is american democracy under threat? 71% say yes. 21% say no. those numbers are virtually the same for republicans and democrats. stephanie, is that a message democrats should be leaning into more? stephanie: i think you do hear that on the campaign trail across the country. i think you hear it more in races like likely'-- like mike l ee's, where he participate in what ultimately became the january 6 insurrection. he did not participate in the insurrection, but let's be clear , alleging fraud where it does not exist, encouraging a president to not concede, to continue to say that he won, all of that contributes to a lack of trust in our democratic institutions, a lack of trust in our democratic

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them, there was also talk about utah, potentially, with mike lee, facing a stiff challenge, from evan mcmullen and "the new york times" and sienna had a new poll out today that showed republicans on the generic ballot were in the lead to democrats, a swing, because democrats were ahead last month and they showed this wild swing between independent female voters, 32 point swing from democrats to republicans, which is a wild number, i was talking to dave wasserman from the political report last hour who said that is such a wild swing, within one month, that he's not inclined to believe it. what do you think, mark? >> yes, it is a small sample of when you go into those types of sub-groups, and see, you know, just one survey, kind of a rule of thumb we have in our own polling that some of those sub-group movements, you want to see two polls in a row before you draw any big conclusions. but the conclusion that i end up seeing is that at least the wid seems to be at the republicans back right now. >> 22 days is a long time as we all know. mark murray, jesse kirsch, thank you very much. and blayne al

ask about evan mcmullen forvani. a second here. so there's not a democra>> seat running in utah for senate, but they got this guy, evan mcmahon, and he's running orcm egg mcmuffin as my i have goodul friends ou ist refer to him.o pain he's trying to paint himself as an independent. he won't say who he will caucus with , but all o mf his money, e is bought and paid for by everyu democratic group out there. and he's even putting oup out, h as with children in it, to use them as props to call mike leehl ,one of the most honorable guys you'll ever meet, a liar. i mean, it's pretty pathetic.mit and mitt romney is , you know, l all these senators, every republican senator, but mitt romneyomney is is supporting mi what's wrong with mitt romney?g wiinexcusable. ine >> i tell you, they had a a debate and mike lee dominated that debate. this guy, mcmullen, he is theth democrat in the race. as far as i'.m concerned. he will tell you who he's going to caucus with . i wonder why he goes to actbluec to get nearly 75% of his funding, according to

so he's getting millions of dollars in free advertising, as if under hypnosis of evan mcmullen's supposed charm from the liberal utah media who never questions about anything. they refused even to call out the fact that i had identified him as lying, that i had caught him in lies, and then he relies on two and a half million dollars raised on actblue. this liberal democratic network of leftist donors, especially from the coasts who donated two and a half million dollars to his campaign. >> by the way, sean, one point six million dollars of that in the last quarter alone was recycled back into the democratic industrial complex, spent exclusively to donors, to vendors who get the money from the donors and then spend it electing far leftist candidates. >> and this is why i need help, sean. i need help from your viewers. i need help from your viewers who go to leave for senate .com . this is the only way that we're going to stop evan mcmullin and his leftist allies from all over the country. one of the sentence by sentence ,all of this is that mitt romney is not endorsing you. i think after y

reelection, citing his relationship with lee's opponent, independent candidate and professional grifter evan mcmullen. now, what does that hold>> outproduced? well, a flurry of puff pieces of mcmullin is asking voters from both parties to join his insurgena t campaign to win a senate seat as an independent from utah. g riour democracy is at great rish right now.e cycles, this cycle and th and we will decide as a nationee over the next twxto cycles this cycle in the next, whether we still are a democracy or whether we're going to head red towards authoritarianism. >> now, mcmuffin is a championhs of democracy and a maverick. t right? but wait, he's more he's thee wa plucky underdog, not the guyyw whose way we're 2016. 670,pendent bid resulted in six hundred and seventy thousand bucks in unpaid bills.l >> mcmullen saysle he understans the challenge, but urges votersi to see that hitis allegiance is to utah, not a politicalor party. >> i'm not running to be ay or p bootlicker for the leader ofrey any party or the or a president of any party.r stat i will work with anybody to get things done for our stat

republican senator mike lee is seeking a third term this november against independent challenger evan mcmullenmcmillan is known for running as an independent candidate in the 2016 presidential election where he received 21% of the vote in the state of utah. this debate between he and senator lee is currently the only one scheduled to occur before the midterm elections.

evan mcmullen is out thereut pretending to be something that. he's not. he is a romney he republican . utah and ari hope the people of utah are smart enough to understand . wello derstand, look, you're ex. right. this race here ithisn utah, mike lee, unfortunately, has a real race on here campaigning for mike . mike iampaignings is phenomenall i believe mike lee is one of the greatest senators ever to have served in the united states senate. hetors evethe united is brillia he's a constitutional scholar. he is brilla fierceia and ferou fighter over and over again for a decade. ovemike and i have been side by side, shoulder to shoulder,to fighting to defend freedom, he defend the constitution and to urge our own party to stand upes and actually do what we promised to do. and i'll tell you, here in the utah, the democrats are doing something really deceptive and dishonest. the democrats have not run a , quote, democrat candidate.ey dec >>id they decided not to nominai anyone at all. instead, you've got mcmuffinnat who is theoretically running as an independe

. >> do you think the voters of dono understand how fervently evan mcmullen's donors hatrse the values of the state of utah? i mean, for real. not about tax rates, but the way people live. their religious people with families like they don't. they hate that. do you think your votersr vote get that? >> no, i don't get. >> i because, look, the local mediaci in utah is complicit in this. they want evan mcmahon to win for that very reason. they're refusing to ask him ask policy questions. they allow him simply to engage in ad hominem attacks on me, notwithstanding the fact that the guy claims to be campaigning on this platform. >> of civility, which is laughable, but they never make him answem answer ar any a policy questions. so, yeah, i think a lot oft of utahns are being duped and fooled and it doesn't help to have the tacit acquiescence, the tacit assistance of my republican colleague for youc toan. it's noteworthy here that 48 , all 48 of my other republican colleagues are on board with me, have supported me, have supported have and have endorsedate, me. it's not too late, but you can

republican senator mike lee an independent candidate evan mcmullen.sking just independents this first hour of "washington journal" what your top issue is in campaign 2022. we will go to the line for undecided independents this cycle. brian in woodbridge, virginia, good morning. caller: good morning. yes. voting for the quality of the candidate, no matter what party is. but voting for a quality candidate that happened to be democrat, but i am independent. one uses a lot of misinformation and blame people's emotions and ignorance and the other party is mediocre at refuting the other party's ignorance, inflaming and misinformation tactics. the policies i like voting for, one party is like -- and the other party is like -- both of them are incompetent in varying degrees and different ways so the quality of candidates for both parties is pretty substandard and mediocre. but it seems like the democrats have a few more quality candidates running that the republicans. host: what would you say are your top two issues this election cycle? caller: the top two is

one of the many campaign debates we covered, the utah senate debate, evan mcmullen is the independentunning for the senate seat against the republican incumbent, mike lee. in that debate, mr. mcmullen talked about how he would work across the aisle in a bipartisan fashion on issues to address inflation. [video clip] >> look, again, it is both parties. where was senator lee when president trump was spending recklessly during an expansionary period? senator lee will say devoted no but we were adding to the deck at that time and are still adding now and on and on. the job of a senator especially representing our state has to be to stand up to leaders of both parties, to joe biden and donald trump. that is what is required, senator lee, because both parties are spending recklessly. and you vote no. and let me say, senator, i think it is right that a senator should be willing to stand even alone and vote no. you are very good at that. but you know what? it cannot be the only thing you do. that is not the job of a senator. the job of a senator representing you talk's to work across party li

not sure whether mike lee is in trouble from evan mcmullen or not. many would expect. the house looks like republicans ought to be doing well. the senate, my gosh, we could go anywhere from republicans three up to democrats two or three up. what are you seeing, what are you hearing from the parties? >> briefly on the house, first, we've used this stat to show several times but republicans don't have to win a single district that joe biden captured in 2020 in order to flip the house. because of redistricting. a few months ago, people thought republicans would sweep the house, huge margins. no one thinks that anymore. consensus is republicans by a few seats. the senate, though, analysts and party leaders, both sides suggest that, yes, nevada, the most likely republican pickup, pennsylvania, despite that race tightening, despite some concerns about john fetterman that is still the most likely democratic pickup, and some democrats i talked to over the weekend said they feel a little better about that race now than they did say a week ago. iowa is interes

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one of the many campaign debates we covered, the utah senate debate, evan mcmullen is the independentunning for the senate seat against the republican incumbent, mike lee. in that debate, mr. mcmullen talked about how he would work across the aisle in a bipartisan fashion on issues to address inflation. [video clip] >> look, again, it is both parties. where was senator lee when president trump was spending recklessly during an expansionary period? senator lee will say devoted no but we were adding to the deck at that time and are still adding now and on and on. the job of a senator especially representing our state has to be to stand up to leaders of both parties, to joe biden and donald trump. that is what is required, senator lee, because both parties are spending recklessly. and you vote no. and let me say, senator, i think it is right that a senator should be willing to stand even alone and vote no. you are very good at that. but you know what? it cannot be the only thing you do. that is not the job of a senator. the job of a senator representing you talk's to work across party li

. >>> i'll speak with two independents, senator bernie sanders and evan mcmullen. >>> plus trump's testimony. >> he must accountable. >>> the january 6th committee issues a subpoena for former president trump to testify. >> we are obligated to seek answers directly from the man who set this all in motion. >>> while new video reveals congressional leaders pleading for help -- >> why don't you get the president to tell them to leave the capitol. >>> new questions emerge on how the secret service handled advance warnings of the threat. i'll stead to stephanie murphy of florida, who sits on the committee. >>> why the state of wisconsin best represents the deep divide. my reporting on the ground behind what's driving the red and blue division. joining maine are amy walter, politico playbook co-author eugene janell. pat mccory. >> and mar ra louisa could mar. this is sunday and it's "meet the press." >> announcer: the longest-running show in television history, thinks "meet the press" with chuck todd. >>> good sunday morning. there is just over three weeks to go. nearly 2 million americans have al