joining me is evan newmark, kate kelly. evan, we haven't seen you in a couple days. think about nasdaq 5,000? >> it was a brief but beautiful dalliance, kelly. like many things in my life. look, what am i supposed to think about it? 15 years ago. i don't believe it symbolizes a lot other than it gives us something to talk about. >> but is it the kind of thing you look at and it sends a shiver up your spine and you feel like people are overexcited or do you think it's just another -- >> just another -- >> mark on the road. >> like i said i don't think stocks are particularly cheap right here. i don't think they're stupidly expensive like they were at the height of nasdaq 5,000, but, you know, would i be buying biotech stocks here? probably not. but does that mean we're going to have some great downdraft and have something else to talk about, nasdaq 4,000? we don't worry about it. >> i will agree with evan. i don't think it sends shivers up my spine. i think it was another brick in the wall we all call the fed's doing, but the reality of it is exactly what evan said. i