it is in china and we'll talk to evan osnos of the "new yorker" magazine. >> the reason why the bo xilai case is awkward and uncomfortable is because it has made what is abstract before, the suspicion surrounding the leadership families has made it so vivid. there are names and dates ander if rar ris and educations, is tuition attached to this case. the average chinese citizen all knows about that now. serve talking about this in beijing and that's unusual. >> rose: we continue this evening with sebastian thrun who is the founder of google x. >> it's been a long time dream to understand the human became and intelligence systems and in bits and pieces that have exceeded human intelligence we have better chess players. but in the nda daily things we are still behind so we have no computer today that could look at the table and say, oh, that is glass and this is a cup and there's probably coffee in there. >> rose: we conclude with jack dorsey one of the founders of twitter, the chairman of twitter and also the head of a new company called square. >> it makes sense that facebook would pick i

evan osnos is "the new yorkers'" china correspondent, but he is here this week in new york. welcome. >> thanks. glad to be here. >> so this sounds like something out of a murder mystery. how do you think most chinese people are reacting? the news of this guy who was really one of the most admired people in china from what we could tell has suddenly been now revealed to be a corrupt hack or is being kind of painted as a corrupt hack by officials. >> this story is unprescedented. we're talking about the world's second largest economy, the most powerful men in charge. bo shi li was going to be perhaps one of the nine people running the country this fall, and now he has been -- he has fallen from grace, and, of course, in the course of just a few weeks, and this has really left people's head spinning because in the chinese press, they're being told every day this man was a criminal. this man who had been celebrated just a couple of months ago, and this is very hard for the party to explain to people. this is a problem that's hard to houb is a man accused of wiretapping his peers