let's go to cnn justice reporter, evan perez, who has new details about this school shooting. ou tell us? >> as often happens in these situations, there's a lot of conflicting information early on in this case, as well. the police are indicating that they believe the shooting actually happened outside of the school. i know you just said, i think the fire department said they transported three people from the scene. and they believe that the shooting -- they were shot inside the school. we'll have to wait a little while for these details to be clarified by the police. we know that the suspect -- the person who was believed to carry out the shooting has fled the scene and the police are now preparing to provide a little more detail on who they're looking for. we know that they have now alerted the federal authorities who are now heading to the scene. i've talked to people who say the atf is heading to the scene and i expect that the fbi is as well because as they -- that tends to happen in these cases. the feds come in to try to provide any assistance that the local police may ne

i'm going to go to our justice correspondent evan perez. an, it says the techniques were not effective and not only that it says what they were doing, the cia, was misrepresented to the government at the time. >> that's right, john. as i mention, this is going to be dark for the cia because all along they've said this program produced valuable intelligence. this report that's been done by the senate democrats which looksed at six million pages of documents in the cia is concluded otherwise. the senate found there were at least 119 prisoners who went through the cia program that's a bigger number than we have ever known. the cia has previously only said about 100. we know a third of them were suggest to what the cia called enhanced interrogation tactics, eits, this is what people call torture. waterboarding, slapping b, sleep deprivation. other thing s things we know so prisoners died as a result of these tactics. led me read to you the main finding from the senate. that the enhanced interrogation did not produce otherwise unavailable informa

our justice reporter evan perez has more on that from washington d.c. tell us more. >> reporter: good morning carol. we know u.s. law enforcement knows the the identity of this gunman. we're not revealing the name just yet. we know they're helping australian authorities with gathering information on him including gathering any social media and website data that the u.s. may be able to have access to. obviously this appears to be some kind of islamist jihadist connection to this man. it's not known whether or not he is actually a member of isis or just somebody who sympathizes with them. there's obviously weird clues here. he shows up at this cafe, doesn't bring the right flag with him. that's a little bit of a strange thing. we know that the authorities here also have concerns about copy cat incidents that could be brought on by this. they've been warning repeatedly in the past few months as a result of the u.s. air strikes against isis that there could be lone wolf attacks here in the united states carol. >> all right evan perez reporting live from was

evan perez has been breaking news left and right on this front. he joins us right now. evan, what's the latest? >> well, the plot, if this was a movie, what brian just described we would find this hard to believe because you have sony caving, you have -- this hack has created something of a problem for the obama administration, a national security problem on something that they didn't have v any control over. they have no control over the sony computer system we learned hackers were able to steal credentials of a system administrator to get into the system. this is a very common thing because those guys have the keys to the kingdom. someone told me yesterday that by getting the system administrator's credentials they were able to rome around sony's computer system for months before anyone noticed anything. before they even stole anything or touched anything. they just tried to basically get the lay of the land before they let their presence be known. >> unbelievable. such an interesting -- i want to turn to investigative correspondent chris frates . there's been a stark

evan perez is on the case, right?ill be interesting to see if the government uses the word "terrorism" which which we don't think it 4. and, two, will name north korea but there's got to be a reason that the hackers are not saying north korea or kim jong-un in their messages so sony and i don't know what that reason is but it seems odd to me. >> the subject line of the e-mail was "message from gop." now gop in this case stands for guardians of peace. then it says "i will, i am the boss of gop." then it goes on from there. one of the reasons why sony believes it's legitimate -- >> but gop, that's been used by north korea before but a long time ago, in the '70s. >> and people have seen that as a possible clue here. all along i've thought another possible clue to this, this is just -- my speculation, but a bunch of sony movies were stolen and released online before they were supposed to come out in theaters, "annie" for example which comes out on christmas. "interview" didn't leak. that to me was an early sign of their m

. >> i want to go to our justice correspondent evan perez in washington. he has more information on this suspect. i suppose he learned from isis or took a cue from isis as far as social media use goes. >> yeah. this guy has been very active on social media, carol. he's been ranting about the u.s. air strikes against isis and against if participation of australian forces. the australian air force has been conducting some of these bombings in iraq and syria against isis so he is -- has been speaking out against that. ranting against u.s. oppression and advocating for isis. the australians in recent months have been pushing some very aggressive laws to counteract some of the radicalization because they've had i think up to 250 people have gone to join various militant groups in either iraq or syria. and some of them have come back, dozens have come back, carol. so they've pushed some of these laws which one of them is to make it a crime to advocate terrorism. another is to make it a crime to travel to certain conflict zones. these laws not even the united sta

let's get the headline from cnn justice reporter evan perez. n working your sources, evan, and you've now nailed it. what do you have? >> reporter: u.s. investigators determined that the attack against sony was the work of hackers working on behalf of the north korean government. the question now is, what do we do about it? we expect that there's going to be an announcement tomorrow from the u.s. government that will assign attribution, as they describe it, for responsibility for this hack. the question will be, what the u.s. government's response will be, because obviously, you know, nothing happens in north korea without orders from the leadership of the regime. they control the internet there. so there's no way this attack could have been done by anyone other than if it was ordered by the leadership of that country. >> what you're saying is, as early as tomorrow, either the fbi or the justice department here in washington will issue a formal public statement saying the north korean government is responsible for the cyber attack on sony pictur

ana navarro, evan perez, thank you so much. in just a few minutes, the president of the united states will speak in the cabinet room and announce these major changes in the relationship between the united states and cuba. the biggest changes, i think, that we have seen in well over 50 years since the embargo and a series of other measures were imposed over time. joining us is wolf blitzer. wolf is going to cover the president's speech when it takes place just after noon. i wonder if you can put this in context, wolf. the historical impact of this in this country and in cuba and what this means? >> it's an historic moment. this is a most significant development in u.s./cuban relations going back to the revolution and cuba back in 1961. it's been clear to me from the very start of the obama administration this is precisely what the president wanted to do. he wanted to normalize relations, establish full diplomatic relations between the united states and cuba. as cuba, by the way, has with i think all of the countries in north and

joining us senior white house correspondent jim acosta and our justice reporter evan perez. jim, i'll start with you. you've got to know what the white house is saying this morning about the report. >> reporter: so far their posture has not changed. they are still not answering two very basic questions. one is should federal prosecutors go and launch a new criminal investigation into cia officials over these harsh interrogation tactics. the white house is saying that's for the justice department to decide. as evan knows, the justice department has said we'll take a pass on that. the white house is also not saying whether or not those tactics even worked which is sort of a silence is acquiescence situation because, as you point out, the cia director, john brennan who will be answering questions later this afternoon has said on the cia website in a statement he believes those tactics did save lives and prevent attacked. at this point the white house posture has not changed on that. i think a lot of people at the white house will be watching and waiting to see what john brennan

we're joined by evan perez. hackers stealing the credentials oh of a top sony administrator. also with us, fran townsend, tom fuentes, and our cnn political commentator and contributing editor to atlanta media, peter beinart. evan, a lot of people are ask why the u.s. government can't do something to prevent these kinds of signer attacks instead of relying on companies to defend themselves. what's going on over here? >> wolf, that's the problem with the united states, obviously. it's a free country. the internet is open. it's not like a lot of foreign countries, especially north korea, which tightly controls everything that goes on there. so the u.s. has a system in which you have a couple of agencies, the homeland security department and the nsa, which are responsible for protecting government and military websites. bull companies are on their own unless they are critical infrastructure companies, companies that control the power grid for instance, wolf. so a movie studio is not something that the government ca

our evan perez has news this morning about the status of that investigation. evan? >> you know, the problem with bringing charges related to that video is simply that it's not clear that anyone who was within earshot of him went out and burned anything down. so that's the reason why i'm told by law enforcement officials that this is likely not to go anywhere. you have to also wonder what's at play here. this issue has become a little politicized and so you have the ferguson police chief goes on fox news and says that he's going to investigate this after the lieutenant governor down there, republican also, had brought this issue up. so what you see is perhaps what's happening in ferguson getting politicized and the police chief decided he was going to make a mention of this as a way to respond to all of this. people down there have just had enough. they think that -- they'd like to quiet it down, bring peace rather than inflame things and that's not what the chief has done. >> and, mel, we spoke about this yesterday, about the timing of this, of just how ill-timed, m

want to go to evan perez in washington we understand the fbi was helping australian authorities.hat was the fbi role? >> they have a very close relationship, the fbi does. and u.s. intelligence with the australian counterparts. we know that one of the things they were trying to do is help australians get information on the suspects. one thing australians figured out who he was several hours ago, we know that the u.s. was trying to help gather any information that we might have access to that the u.s. might have access to including his social media accounts. he was very active on social media railing against the u.s. air strikes against isis. and we know that they also were concerned about trying to identify any americans who might have been involved there. we haven't gotten full clearance on whether or not there are any but that was a very chaotic end to the situation. they did not want it to go this way. you can see from the video you just showed that police were throwing flash bang grenades and firing into this dark room that's not the way you want to end these thing. the fbi h

my producer spoke to them yesterday about it and justice reporter evan perez is digging on this. i don't think the prosecutor knows anything about this. i don't think it's gone beyond the ferguson police chief making statements on another network looking into the possibility. so i'm not sure how much is there. >> we'll have more information for all of you coming up in "the newsroom." don lemon, thank you, i appreciate that. >> charles barkley, scumbags, what he calls looters in ferguson who burned buildings after the grand jury decision and he is sticking to that comment plus he says it's ridiculous to think white cops are out there killing black people. barkley opened up in a radio interview and last night he sat down with brooke baldwin. >> let's begin with the news of the day, michael brown's stepdad is being investigated for saying eight different times burn this "b" down the night the grand jury decision was made public, and he's being investigated for inciting a riot. do you think that is fair, should police be pursuing that? >> no, i think under the circumstances this has

let's bring in our justice reporter evan perez. an, this is pretty extraordinary for the attorney general to go ahead and say these two police officers were assassinated. >> wolf, the attorney general is responding because there's been some criticism of him and the department for some of their investigations of police departments around the country. and also for at least in the view of some officers, not giving enough backing, not giving enough support to police officers. today, he had a conference call with activist groups, with civil rights groups to announce a new deputy attorney general sally yates from atlanta. in that call, he said he reminded everyone that his own brother was a former port authority police officer in new york. and described that experience, and he said that it's not possible -- it's not only possible but necessary to have both a responsible dialogue about ways to reduce excessive uses of force, while at the same time condemning threats to law enforcement officers and taking steps to protect cops on the beat.

evan perez is cnn's krus tis correspondent.ing an act of cyber war is one that's very serious. that's the reason why you see the white house being heavily involved. you have all the u.s. national security agencies, the intelligence agency haves been working on this around the clock. this is almost unprecedented. we have this hack which was discovered only a few months ago, and now the government is getting ready to say we know who did it and we're going to point fingers. it's never happened this quickly before. we had another case earlier this year in which the government accused the chinese pla, the chinese military of hacking into u.s. companies and stealing economic secrets. that's a different thing. that took years for the u.s. to even get to the point of pointing fingers. so this is unprecedented. >> here is the thing, evan. north korea supposedly has this bureau 121, cyber warriors trained to carry out the cyber attacks. the united states government knew about bureau 121. why didn't it do anything before? could it not do

our justice reporter, evan perez, is with us as well. evan, you're getting more information? >> that's right. we know that the fbi and the atf are on the scene. they're there to assist the local authorities. we still don't know exactly what happened here. we don't know if it was related to a beef outside or school related. we know these three teenagers ran to the school after they were shot and they were picked up by the fire department there. that's one reason why initially they thought it was an active shooting incident. obviously the local cops know -- have got a lot of training on these issues. we know that the fbi and the atf typically go to the scene of these shootings because they have so much experience, sadly, with many of these. 160 of these incidents have happened between 2000 and 2013. typically they're over in minutes. and in this case we know that the suspect made his getaway. now they're looking for the suspect, wolf. >> hold on. joining us on the phone is sergeant pete simpson of the portland, oregon, police department. sergeant, give us the information. what

in the meantime, let's bring in cnn's justice reporter, evan perez. evan, the justice department here in washington is also looking into this specific case. is that right? >> that's right, wolf. they've already been doing an investigation quietly behind the scenes for some time now, for some months now. we expect that attorney general eric holder will make a formal announcement of this investigation, probably later this evening. you heard the president mention that he had talked to the attorney general about this, and we know that the family had met with the loretta lynch, the u.s. attorney in brooklyn, who is also the nominee to secede eric holder. and she's -- her office is the one that's been doing this investigation, wolf. >> so, basically, what are they looking at? we know what the federal government, the justice department, is looking at in ferguson. civil rights violations, the history of the ferguson police department. what are they going to try to look at in new york city? >> well, you know, right now, it begins with this case, and whether or

our justice correspondent, evan perez broke this story. he joins us now. stole the pass words of a system administrator so they could get access to the entire computer system at sony. in this way, one, one person i talked to today said they had the keys to the entire building. they roamed around to get lay of the land. before any one notice they'd were there. >> stole the credentials. make it look like an inside job. witz n it was not an inside job. does the trail still lead to north korea? >> yes, investigators working on this from the, from the fbi, from nsa, from the justice department national security division, all have been pouring over the evidence that they have. they, the nsa has good visibility into the, into the pipes that carry internet traffic in and out of north korea. and that's one way we know -- that, that, that the u.s. authorities have been able to figure out -- that, that despite the efforts that hackers made, to show that the, that the attack may have come from europe or south america, it really came from north korea. >> nsa the lead a

. >> joins us our justice reporter evan perez. evan, clearly, when the administration says it's about to name north korea as the sponsor of this attack, that's a very, very big deal. >> it's a big deal because they don't do this very likely. this is not something that happens usually this quickly. we're talking about an attack that just happened a few months ago. there was a case recently in the last few months in which the u.s. accused china, the people's liberation army and a unit there of launching attacks against u.s. companies to steal economic secrets. here we're talking about north korea essentially censuring the united states movie industry. and that has really big implications. this is not something that even our government is able to do. >> it was already used to censuring their own activities, but now they've reached outside of their borders. it's interesting because we're used to a fair amount of bluster and often idol threats from north korea. does this seem because it's in the cyber realm, this is something more gray?

evan perez, thank you very much. appreciate that. >>> what kind of action is necessary to enact change? i'm joined by sedrick alexander, president of the black law enforcement executives and cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes who works for a company who does personnel and character analyzing. what would you home would come out of this meeting? >> i think this is the beginning of dialogue and conversation with the attorney general who has take answer very clear leadership role for this entire country to begin to heal and, at the same time, too, we've got to ferguson has happened. we know that's sensitive to a lot of people and we want to move forward and that begins this evening. >> what steps need to be taken, as you see it, to make sure that change actual three this time n not only happens but actually sticks? >> well, a couple things have to take place. i think, one -- and i have to be very, very clear about this. we have to make sure that throughout law enforcement that our people are receiving the very best

christine, he says the cia has learned from its mistakes. >> evan perez in washington. top officials in the bush administration out in force fighting the firestorm created by the 500-page torture report from the senate. bush-era lieutenant mike mukasey claims they did not violate the law. michael hayden claimed that rectal feeding was not interrogation technique. >> i'm not a doctor and neither are you. i'm told this is one of the ways the body is rehydrated. these were medical procedures. to give you a sense. >> are you defending? >> i'm giving you a sense of how the report was put together. this activity, which was done five times and each time for the health of the detainee, not part of the interrogation program and not designed to soften him up for any questioning. >> the statute says you cannot cause intentionally cause somebody severe physical or mental pain or suffering. it is not defined. >> it gave them a lot of wiggle room. >> it has to last beyond what is transient. the cia did not violate the statute. >> worldwide outrage over the techniques building. harsh

our justice correspondent evan perez joins us now. what's is it word? >> reporter: john, they made it look like an inside job. they stole, the hackers stole the credentials, the passwords of a system administrator, so that they could get access to the entire system, the entire computer system at sony and in this way, one person i talked to today said they had the keys to the entire building. they were able to roam around. this is what they did. for some time, they roamed around to get a lay of the land, figure out what they wanted before they did anything and before anyone noticed they were there. >> stole the credentials to look like an inside job but was not an inside job. does the trail still lead to north korea? >> yes, the investigators who have been working on this from the fbi, from the nsa, from the justice department's national security division all have been pouring over the evidence that they have. the nsa has some very good visibility into the pipes that carry internet traffic in and out of north korea and that's one way we know that the u.s

. >> so let's talk more about this with cnn justice correspondent evan perez and mark rasch, a formernt prosecutor for cyber crimes. welcome to both of you. >> hi carol. good morning. >> hi good morning, so evan fbi agents aren't taking kindly to reports that they're wrong about north korea. they're being very professional about it but what are your sources telling you? >> carol, this allegation that it was an inside job is actually not new. it's been around frankly, since we learned about this hack. and they've checked it out and they just find nothing credible at all to show this. they say what they've heard from norse yesterday is just not -- doesn't add up and they say it's -- the allegation that it was a former employee is false. they say that what happened was is the hackers got in and stole the credentials of a former system administrator and were able to have free reignn on the system. they routed the attack through several countries and there was malware that had telltale signs that it was north korea because of the characters used in some of the code. >> so what about lena e

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i'd never heard of them before this whole series of announcements. >> evan perez, thanks so much. political guy that evan. >>> still to come in "the newsroom" the first victims of the airasia crash come home and the search is at the start of the monsoon season. >>> good morning, i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. in indonesia, the monsoon season rolls in. the bleak reality of the airasia crash hits home. the first victims arrive onshore in wooden boxes labeled 001 and 002, grim reminders of the 160 other victims, as bad weather descends on the java sea. >> also conflicting information in the search for answers. one official saying sonar may have located underwater wreckage but the airline is now downplaying that. >> search and rescue team is doing a fantastic job, and they're narrowing the search. they are feeling more comfortable that they are beginning to know where it is but there is no confirmation of them no sonar, nothing. some visual identification, but nothing confirmed. >> cnn's paula hancocks is live with the latest. what do they know paula? >> reporte

cnn's justice reporter evan perez joins us from washington. t do these guidelines spell out, evan? >> don, they've been working on these for five years now, just over five years and as you can see from those protests, it's probably not a moment more relevant right now because everybody's concerned about police conduct on the streets and so here's what the guidelines will cover. there's a ban on profiling related to religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity. and that's negotiation the current ban on ethnic and racial profiling, don. and attorney general eric holder says he's going to get on the phone today to try to urge law enforcement in states and cities to also adopt these rules because right now what these rules would apply to is only federal law enforcement. >> so if it doesn't apply in airports, the new rules don't apply in airports and at the border, the key areas, where do they apply? because a lot of people complain about being profiled at airports, right? >> this is a big fight. when doj was trying to anno

. >> let me bring in evan perez who has been all over this. we have seen eric holder in atlanta, cleveland and now today he's in chicago. all taking part in this roundtable wanting police and wanting communities to have a dialogue. >> that's right, brooke. these meetings he's been having, he's got a couple more. he's got philadelphia, oakland coming up. these are all about putting more pressure on police around the country to sort of get this dialogue started because there's no doubt there's a problem in many of these cities where you have police and communities that they're supposed to be protecting not really getting along and you have repeated instances like the one in cleveland, ferguson and new york happening and creating really a reaction on the streets which is not going away as you mentioned with this protest over the weekend that is expected. and in chicago today, holder was meeting with rahm emanuel, two men that didn't get along well when rahm emanuel was in the white house and the two of them were speaking the same thing today, whi

i want to bring in justice reporter evan perez, senior media correspondent, brian stelter, host of "reliable sources" as well as cnn's "money," laurie siegel. this had to be done with not only the fbi but looking at the data and determining by not just human intelligence but signal intelligence. what is the fbi saying? >> that's right, deborah. this has been an intensive investigation including the fbi, nsa, national security division, the white house has been on top of this because they do believe this is a national security matter now. you and i have been covering this for many years and you know how unusual it is for something just a few months after this hack occurred for the fbi to be issuing a statement like this. this is what they said. they have concluded that the north korean government is responsible for these actions against sony pictures. and they say that they detected -- they detected evidence that shows the internet traffic that was used to carry the hack came from north korea. it also showed signs that were similar to other hacks have been attributed to north korea earlier th

our justice reporter evan perez is joining us live from cleveland.the status of the federal investigation, first of all, into the death of eric garner on staten island in new york? >> reporter: wolf, we can tell you that the investigators are going to hit the ground running on this investigation because they've been monitoring the state case. they have been doing their own investigative work, the fbi, has been working behind the scenes. now they already have the videos, the horrific videos that we've all seen and additional witness statements and this is one reason why sources i've talked to say that this case is expected to move a little faster than some of these cases. you know, these sometimes take a long time, these civil rights investigations. >> they certainly do. they can go in not just months but in years. you're in cleveland. the department of justice coming down very hard today on the police department there in cleveland in part because of a police chase back in 2012 that ended with 13 officers firing 137 rounds at two unarmed suspects. tel

cnn justice reporter evan perez will be on hand for that news conference. he joins me now live from washington. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, carol. this is a rare press conference indeed. the only thing we can think of is similar, about a decade ago when the cia was having to answer questions about mistakes made in the intelligence -- on iraq before the u.s. invaded. so this is a very unusual thing for john brennan, the cia director to do. the big question that will be facing him today is how does the cia move forward from this? obviously a very dark period right now we're having to relive, some rollie ugly things that were report ntd this senator tour report. the other question for him is what does he think of this program and what it produced for u.s. intelligence? dick cheney was on television this morning giving a full-throated defense of this program saying, not only did it work. he says he'd do it again. that is far different from what president obama says about this program, carol. >> all right. evan perez, thanks so much. just another re

this is not really helping that situation. >> thanks very much, evan perez, reporting for us. the former nba star charles barkley stirring up a bit of a controversy with his latest comments about the shooting in ferguson and the aftermath. barkley is a basketball analyst for turner sports. he's certainly never one to shy away from explosive issues. listen to what he told our own brooke baldwin. >> the notion that white cops are out there just killing black people is ridiculous. just flat outridiculous. and i challenge any black person to try to make that point. this notion that cops -- cops are actually awesome. they're the only thing in the ghetto between this place being the wild wild west. so this notion that cops are out there just killing black men is ridiculous. i hate that narrative coming out of this entire situation. >> charles barkley also says americans never discuss race until something like the ferguson shooting happens. then he says the discussion reflects what he calls a tribe mentality, everyone protecting their own group, whether they're right or wrong. let's

. >> let me begin with evan perez. and we heard the chairman fi feinstein -- you have been poring through all of these pages. i just want to begin with the methods, the methods used to try to get this information. can you just run through some of what that entailed? >> it is the one that the senator just described. called the hard takedown. it involved basically opening the doors to a prison cell. the dungeon as been described in this report. in which the officers, the employees with the cia would run in screaming, yelling, asking the detainee to get down, and then they would grab him, cut off his clothes, pull him outside, drag him across the floor. the detainee would have abrasions to his face, legs and hands according to this report. things like this are -- you know, it's obviously very ugly to read now. even though we've heard so much about what was going on in these sites. it's still very difficult to read, you know, the new details coming out in this report. and i've got to tell you, you know, i looked through ma

our justice correspondent evan perez has been delving into the background of this 28-year-old gunman. evan, what more do we know about him? >> we have new details released by the baltimore county police department. as you know, they were investigating this suspect on saturday morning. he showed up at the apartment of an ex-girlfriend. 5:25 in the morning he shows up at her door. show opens the door and she lets him in and they have an argument over their relationship which has ended and he shoots her shortly before 6:00 a.m. that's when the first call comes. brooke, new details from the police department there in baltimore county really shows you the effort that they made to try to find this guy. they didn't know much about him. they didn't know where he was going. you can see his telephone pinging back as he makes his way up i-95 and then they discover the instagram posts threatening police officers and here's new detail here. at 2:10 p.m., baltimore county detective from violent crimes unit calls the precinct in brooklyn to try to provide some information about the suspect because n

so we'll see where it goes. >> evan perez reporting live from washington. thanks so much. >>> charles barkley. "scumbags," that's what the former hall of famer calls looters in ferguson who burned buildings after the grand jury decision and he is sticking to that comment. plus he says it's ridiculous to think white cops are out there killing black people on purpose. he first opened up in a radio interview and last night he sat down with brooke baldwin. >> let's begin with the news of the day, michael brown's step dad is being investigated for saying eight different times "burn this b down" the night the grand jury decision was made public. he's being investigated for inciting a riot. do you think that is fair? should police be pursuing that? >> no. i think under the circumstances this has just been an awful incident for everybody and i just think that just clouds the discussion. this entire situation, it's so much noise going on you never get to the crux of the issue you need to be discussing. so, no, i don't think they should pursue charges against him. >>

the question came from cnn justice reporter evan perez.> your agency is involved in overseeing the drone program. in which we know from the government's own statements, you know, that there have been some innocent civilians killed alongside terrorists. i'm wondering if you feel that there's enough control over those programs and we're not going to be here in a few years with another director having to answer these same questions about the loss of trust from the public, from policymakers. >> i'm not going to talk about any type of operational activity this agency is involved in currently. during my tenure at the white house, as the president's assistance for counterterrorism, that the use of these unmanned aerial vehicles that you refer to as drones in the counterterrorism effort has done tremendous work to keep this country safe. >> evan, you're joining us now, evan perez asked that good question, a tough question. what did you think of his answer? >> reporter: well, this was a lot of nervousness in the room when john brennan gave that ans

. >> let's bring in our justice reporter, evan perez has more on this huge controversy in the report that has erupted. evan, the white house involvement in all of this, the allegation is the cia or at least some cia officials went rogue. you're looking into this. what are you finding out? >> that's right, wolf. this report if you read all 600 pages of it you get this impression that the cia was a rogue operation, that they misled not only the justice department, the congress, but also the white house. well, if you read between the lines you also see an episode in 2003 where the cia repeatedly goes back to the white house and tries to get some clarification to make sure they understand what's going on because at that time white house officials are going out saying we are treating prisoners humanely and they're using that term and that's getting cia officials very nervous, you see. in july of 2003 scott muller, the cia general counsel calling them and saying you guys are aware of what we're up to, right? they even put a halt to some of these interrogations because of this very concern.

i want to head to washington now and bring in justice reporter evan perez. i know you've been digging for information. tell me what you got. >> carol, i spent a lot of time in miami, i was a reporter down there and this was the cuba issues, something i spent a lot of time covering there when i was with the urinal and the associated press and i'll tell you, as alina mentioned just now, you do have a generational divide on this issue. you have older cuban americans who will be upset about what the president is planning to do. but here's the thing, younger cubans, cubans who came and demographically most cubans now in this country are people who probably came from cuba after 1980 where the big boat lift that happened and increased the population, most cubans in recent years are economic migrants and these people don't have the same feelings about the castro government and about the embargo as some of the older generation do. so that's what's driving this. this is why the obama administration feels that they can do this and the consequences politically are reall

korea is behind the cyber attack on sony pictures, in conversations with cnn, justice reporter evan perezs. officials are describing the attack as a game-changer. evan is joining us now with more. this is a huge deal. as you've been reporting, almost unprecedented how the fbi is reacting. >> reporter: that's right, wolf. it takes a long time normally for the fbi to decide to name and shame countries responsible for cyber attacks. you started seeing a change earlier this year when the fbi and the justice department went after the p.l.a., the chinese p.l.a. for stealing secrets from u.s. companies. what i'm told is that in the last few weeks, they've been working around the clock, weekends and nights, to try to nail down this attack to see where it was coming from and all signs pointed to north korea. the decision, wolf, came when these hackers decided that they were going to threaten attacks on christmas day, when this movie was supposed to open, threaten terrorist attacks against movie theaters. a decision was made that it was time to name and shame north korea for this attack. >> evan br

evan perez is, working this part of the story for us. what are you learning, evan? >> wolf, the hackers in this case are banking on anonymity. by showing that the attacks came from japan or thailand or another country they are saying that the fbi will not be able to unmask them. they are working around the clock on this case. there's things they can look at. they can determine what type of keyboard was used to try to carry out -- to right the malware to carry out these attacks and look at fonts and misspellings that are found in the malware, that can give te tell-tale signs of who is leading this. they are not 100% sure but all fingers point to north korea, wolf. >> how seriously are they taking this threat of another, quote, 9/11? >> well, you know, that's -- it's a little bit of a mixed bag on that. because i think they say that there's not any indication that there's actually any threats against u.s. movie theaters showing this film. in some ways this may just encourage people outside who may decide to call in bomb threats and therefore that's the day to get peop

evan perez, what do we know? >> chris, u.s.aw enforcement and intelligence officials are working with u.s. authorities to gather information on this gunman, holding people hostage there. they are trying to determine if there are marines being held. hostages have been shown on camera displaying a black flag that u.s. authorities say is commonly used by jihadists. u.s. authorities know of one gunman, australia has seen significant numbers of foreign fighters join groups. intelligence says up to 250 have traveled there. several have been killed. dozens have returned home. >> that compares to 150 american was traveled to isis, syria and iraq. authorities say the concern now turns to the possibility of copycat incidents elsewhere. the fbi warned in recent months of possible so-called lone wolf attacks by extremists in response to the company against isis. chris, they say there is no indication of any active plots here. >> evan, thank you very much tore that. we will continue our reporting on the u.s. side as it is relevant. there is

our justice reporter evan perez is talking to his sources. what are you hearing? >> wolf, the attorney general was just repeating what he has said before about these investigations. i'm told that they expect that this investigation into the shooting by the justice department's civil rights division is going to wrap up by the end of attorney general's tenure which is sometime in february. the issue is that all along, the best chances for any charges against darren wilson is with the state investigation. i'm told that this remains a very long shot with the civil rights case, that the justice department is doing. >> are they concerned that they are raising expectations out there? >> wolf, i think what the attorney general is trying to do is make sure that there is a process that he's trying to oversee and i think you're right, there might be a danger in that. in an interview he told me a few weeks ago that people should not necessarily interpret what he's saying to mean that there's going to be an indictment. what he's saying is, if in the end what you get is reform

. >> let's bring in our justice reporter evan perez and bob baer. first to you, evan, this report could be released as early as tomorrow? >> that's right, wolf. and we're talking about george bush's controversial policies six years into the presidency of barack obama who said he wanted to turn the page on all of these things but this report is going to be really, really bad for the cia. it's going to remind us of the things that went on in this program. it's going to focus on a number of things, including the fact that it was a haphazardly put together program and they say that the cia ended up misleading congress and the white house and nothing of value came of the program. the program simply says that they believe some things of value were gotten there. we know that three detainees that the cia had provided information and they were key that led them to bin laden and killing bin laden. >> evan, i want you to stay by. i want you to bring bob baer into this. mike rogers was very forceful yesterday on "state of the union" right here on cnn saying that

our justice reporter, evan perez, is working this part of the story for us. evan, first of all, on the so-called militarization of local law enforcement, the president made some announcements today. what's going on? >> i think there was a lot of concern after the police response. it was very heavily criticized in august. you saw police in camouflage on the streets of the st. louis suburbs. that issue appears to have been a dud. if you read between the lines of this white house report that was issued today, it's clear that the white house really is not touching these programs, $18 billion worth of equipment that's been transferred. most of it is like back offensive equipment. the white house is trying to decide how to perhaps make some improvements to these programs and that includes better training to make sure people understand -- police officers understand about civil rights and civil liberties. but they're not really going to touch these programs, even in congress where there was some effort to change these programs, that issue has kind of died out. >> the

. >> evan perez, thank you. a top official in the bush administration out in force fighting the firestorm created by the 500-page torture report. bush era official claimed the techniques did not violate the law. cia director michael hayden said rectal feeding was not an interrogation technique. >> jake, i'm not a doctor. this is one of the ways the body is rehydrated. these were medical procedures. to give you a sense. >> you are defending that rehydration? >> i'm defending history. to give you a sensz of how the report is put together. this activity which was done five times in each time for the health of the detainee, not part of the interrogation program and not designed to soften up for questioning. >> the statute says you cannot under law cause intentionally cause somebody severe physical mental pain or suffering. that isn't defined. >> it gave them a lot of wiggle room. >> the durational terms. it has to last. what the cia did did not violate the statute. >> the rage over harsh rage. germany calling it gru

. >>> i want to turn now to justice reporter evan perez.are the challenges in identifying the source behind the sony hacks? >> it's a lot like -- people describe it as following bread crumbs because it's little hints that are left behind in the malware that is used to track these computers, the keyboard layout, they can study to see what keyboards were used to put together the malware. there's all kinds of things that they are doing right now, detective work really, to try to figure it out. just because a hack seems to have come from thailand or china doesn't mean it came from there. in this case, the strong suspicion is that the north koreans had people not coming -- not doing the hack from north korea itself but from elsewhere. >> and what are the motivations, do we think, behind the hack? is it just definitely they don't want this film released or has there also been, for instance, a blackmail attempt and request for money? >> well, there's two parts to that. the actual people who did the hack might have just been paid to do it. you have

dana bash, jim acosta, evan perez, we'll go through this report and get more details. >>> a former cia officer and former democratic of the house committee will offer tleheir vi of the scathing report. later, we're going to hear in an exclusive interview with the defense secretary chuck hagel, we're going to get his take on the release of the report and on the mission in iraq and syria. lots of news happening. we'll be right back. >>> former vice president dick cheney came to the agency's strong defense today in "the new york times." let me put on the screen what he said "what i keep hearing is they portrayed this was a rogue operation and way out of bounds and then lied about it. i think that is a bunch of hooey. the program was authorized. the agency did not want to proceed without authorization and it was also reviewed legally by the administration." jane harman was a ranking member of the house intelligence committee for a long time. when you hear the former vice president, jane harman, make those comments saying all of this was authorized by the executive branch and the justice de

evan perez has been covering these details. when we talk about law, so much devil is in the detail.pt awake for 7 1/2 days, for chaining man with their arms over their heads, naked and dying from hypothermia and the threat of death and sexual abuse of their family members, that's brutal information and makes me wonder if the justice department is crafting prosecution of those who were outside of the guide leans that they were given. >> the short answer is no. the previous attorney general appointed an outside prosecutor to look at the cia's destruction of tapes of these interrogations because the question was whether the cia had destroyed evidence. that came back as no prosecution. and attorney general holder looked a the this same thing. 6 million pamgs plus of documents and he arrived at the conclusion that there was no prosecutable crime and our team worked tirelessly to complete a thorough review of materials and stands by its decision not to initiate criminal charges, ashleigh. you know, one thing that i think the justice department wants to make clear in their response is that

we're joined by our justice reporter evan perez. what's going on?the atf is offering a reward up to $10,000 for information, videos and particularly they want videos from people who were out on the scene, any videos of the fires that burned the night of the grand jury decision in ferguson. and in particular, wolf, they're looking for videos of the fires at the church that michael brown senior is a member of. you remember, wolf, this fire in particular was very suspicious, because it burned away from the main commercial corridor where a lot of the other fires burned. and also because obviously of the connection of michael brown. and so we know that the atf has been looking at various things, including the fact that there were white supremists and other groups that made threats ahead of the grand jury decision. one of the things they're looking for is on the videos they can tell a lot of things, the color of the fire, where it was burning, what time it was burning. and also who was in the crowd when the fires were burning. so this is information that

. >> evan perez, our justice correspondent, got us this information from two u.s.rcement officials who were briefed on the matter and they tell our cnn correspondent that u.s. officials are currently working with australian authorities to lepd any assistance to try to identify the suspect. but right now information is very scarce. we don't have a lot of attention or details at this point. u.s. officials telling cnn at this stage they only know it is one armed suspect that we are talking about. we have been hearing conflicting reported, unconfirmed reports, one to two suspects, one possibly armed with a machete, one with a shotgun. all of that is unarmed at this time. the motive, also, has not been established at this point. >> and just a reminder, the u.s. consulate is not far from here as well. that, too, has been evacuated with a number of other buildings, the supreme court, parliamentary offices for the commonwealth ministers not far from this area. and also across from the pedestrian mall from where this standoff is taking place right now. >> just to reiterate

straight to our justice reporter evan perez who broke the news. there has been talk it might have been north korea but to come out and say that, that is a significant thing. >> that is right, erin. they have been behind the scenes discussions between the justice department, between the intelligence agencies, the state department, about what to do about this because i think they were worried about if you go out and say that north korea did this attack, then what are you going to do? what sanctions are you going to bring, what -- who are you going to try to name might be responsible and so i'm told that as soon as tomorrow we expect to hear something public from the justice department, the national security division there working on this and that tells you how important this case is. we know that these hackers got into the systems at sony and spent some time doing recognizance looking around and took action. they destroyed some computer systems and took some of the information you referenced and started releasing it publicly. and so we know that the