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. >>> i want to bring in paula reid, evan perez also with us and also caroline, a criminal defense attorney and phillip bump, national correspondent for "the washington post" and elie honig. before this happened, the news that we were going to talk about was the fact that former white house chief of staff mark meadows defied the committee today, refused to show up. i think that they are probably going to be a lot of trump associates who see steve bannon arrested, which will happen soon enough, and think, huh, maybe i should cooperate. >> absolutely. it's great news for the committee because we've seen so far they have had difficulty getting meaningful cooperation from the folks in trump's inner circle who they have subpoenaed. now i know talking to sources there are witnesses who have specifically been watching what exactly is going to happen to bannon. will there be any consequences for completely defying this subpoena? the former chief of staff mark meadows took the bannon approach, too. instead of saying, look, there are some matters that may be privileged here, he just took a blanket ap

. >> evan perez is live in the justice department with the details. this man. >> reporter: well, victor and alisyn, not oven does law enforcement have good news when it comes to the hundreds of million dollars paid in the ransom ware attacks and in this case they're charging a man, he's arrested right now and being held by polish authorities. the justice department said that they're going to seek him extradition in with regard to an attack on u.s. companies, on companies worldwide using this ransom ware known as our evil. there is also in the announcement today from the justice department charges being announced against another man. this guy is at large. he's a russian national believed to be back in russia. and the importance of these two twin announcements is the fact that it is very rare for the justice department to carth and figure out who is behind some of the ransom ware attacks and today they also said that they were able to seize $6 million that were paid in some of the ransom attacks. listen to attorney general merrick garland talk about thi

cnn's senior justice correspondent evan perez is live outside the courtroom. , ana, we heard quite an uphill climb for the trump legal team. this hearing lasted just over three hours, and there was a lot of skepticism from the three judges about this idea that the former president can essentially overrule a decision by the sitting president who said that there is no privilege to be asserted here over documents that the house committee investigating the january 6th capitol riot says are key to not only figuring out what happened but to prevent it from happening ever again. we'll hear just a little bit of that skepticism from one of the three judges who heard that argument tailed. >> you're going to have to come up with something more powerful that's going to have to outweigh the incumbent president's decision to waive, but you're going to have to change the score on that scoreboard. >> i will say that despite that skepticism, again, there is a three-hour hearing. you also heard some discomfort by the -- by the judges to say that the former president has no right

evan perez, what exactly are we hearing from this judge?'re hearing a lot of skepticism about the climbs that the former president and his legal team are making. they say the type of documents we're talking about, call logs, notes that were taken by his former chief of staff mark meddo, white house lawyer during the key days around the time of the capital attack. that those are exactly the tape of things that are meant to be executive privilege but the judge took this -- took issue with this and said that these are government works and seemed to have a lot of skepticism that this is the kind of thing that should be protected by any kind of privilege whatsoever since the current president did waive privilege ton though she did think that some of the requests were alarmingly broad. she did not rule but whatever she rules is going to be appealed by either side. >> when will she rule, do we know? >> we don't know exactly when she will rule. did seem to have her mind made up. another story we're following is the russia investigation and a federa

evan perez joins us with more on this. this was a significant move for the biden administration.charges? >> the charges they announced today against the ukrainian national. he was arrested last month in poland. and he is the one, according to the justice department, according to these charges unsealed today that he was behind the attack over fourth of july weekend against a software company. it was infected. infected hundreds, about 1500 companies in all were affected. and according to the justice department, obviously, this is part of a gang, a criminal gang that's behind this software. this ransomware called our evil. and they have been essentially getting millions of dollars from victim companies that have been infected with this ransomware. they also announced they were able to seize $6 million from another figure who was connected to it. yevgeni is at large believed to be in russia. he's a russian national. they were able to get $6 million that they know was connected to ransomware that went to him. >> right now there's no requirement for companies that are hit with these ra

cnn's senior justice correspondent evan perez joins us now. evan, what have you learned?rter: alisyn and victor, this is an episode that happened, according to the justice department, back in october, and according to this indictment against two iranians who the justice department says were well-known hackers working for the iranian government, what they were doing was, first, they went after some state voter infrastructure, were able to get the data on thousands of voters, and then after that, they prepared a couple of different efforts, which were intended to sow disinformation, to sow doubt about the u.s. election. again, this is about a month before the u.s. presidential election last year in 2020. one of them -- one of the efforts had to do with a video that appeared to show people hacking, and again, it was used to show that it was coming from the group, the proud boys. of course, who are supporters of former president trump. a second effort involved emails that were being sent to people, again, making threats, again, under the name -- purporting to come from the pr

>> okay, evan perez, thank you for the update. cnn's senior legal analyst elie honig joins us now. that evan just reported. let's start with meadows. how significant a development is what you have heard? >> well, alisyn, it's a very big deal. mark meadows is a central player in january 6th. he was with donald trump throughout january 6th. he should have some key evidence. now, it's a temporary, temporary win-win here because it looked like we were headed towards a potential contempt vote and contempt prosecution of meadows. now, the committee at least gets some information out of meadows. some is better than none, and meadows avoids the possibility of being federally indicted which to most non-steve bannon people is a good thing. however, the big question is, how initial will this initial cooperation be? what happens when the committee starts asking mark meadows those really tough questions that may be really damaging for donald trump? will he answer? and if not, does that make this deal fall apart or does the committee take what they can get and move along? >> let's talk about the

evan perez, cnn, washington. >> on saturday, former u.s. attorney preet bharara spoke with cnn about bannon's indictment means for other witnesses and whether former white house chief of staff mark meadows could face the same fate. listen to this. >> the last time someone was indicted by the justice department for criminal contempt of congress was 38 years ago. and there are a lot of witnesses in play here. there's a lot of people who have a lot of different kinds of information, documentary information, communications that could shed light on what happened on january 6th, and also their testimony. and i think that early in the process, and it's pretty early in the process still, to bring a criminal indictment against someone who has been defiant of the subpoena should put a little bit of nervousness into the hearts of mind of some of these other witnesses, particularly the ones who are being completely qudefiant, not givin enough respect to the committee to come, engage in some kind of negotiation with parameters about the committee. that'

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i want to bring in our senior justice correspondent evan perez. question, evan, what is durham trying to show with these indictments? >> well, what you see in the two recent indictments durham has brought is he is sketching out this idea of a broader conspiracy that the former president, president trump, as he complained for years, was essentially the victim of a smear carried out by everyone from clinton campaign operatives, people in democratic party, this law firm that works for democrats, trying to get the fbi to investigate donald trump and his campaign and leaking that information to the media. now, this is the world of opposition research. that is the way it works here in washington. and very often this is the way stories get planted. it is not necessarily illegal. in this case, durham says that there were crimes committed and so now he has brought charges against the former clinton campaign lawyer who worked for perkins to try to prove some of these points. >> durham is not done. where is he going with this? >> we don't know whether he has

but we begin with evan perez here in washington. take us through the charges against bannon. >> reporter: well he is -- steve bannon is now charged with two counts, one of them is for failing to appear for the deposition that this bipartisan committee had subpoenaed him to appear for and then secondly for failing to turn over documents that the committee has requested and this indictment listed about 17 categories, they said of communications and documents that the committee was specifically asking for and that bannon has refused to even -- to even show up for even to respond apparently since september he's gone silent. and so what this committee is hoping is that by doing this, by having the justice department take this very rare step, it hasn't been done since the reagan administration, they're hoping that it at least scares a few other members of the trump inner circle to take the subpoena seriously, to show up to their depositions and to turn over what the committee is asking for. because so far a lot of them have formed a wall

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. >> cnn's senior justice correspondent, evan perez, has more. origins of the fbi's russia investigation? >> reporter: it is. the analyst's name is i igor danchenko and he was arrested earlier today, charged with five counts of lying to the fbi. these are from interviews that he conducted -- that he did with the fbi in 2017 as they were trying to get to the bottom of some of the allegations that were contained in the dossier that was prepared by christopher steele, the former british spy. now, danchenko was a source for steele in some of the more -- where some of the allegations but the one that sticks out and that there's a lot of emphasis on in the court papers today is the notorious pee tape allegation. this -- this is the allegation that back when donald trump visited moscow, he was involved with a couple women who urinated on a bed in a suite that was where the former president, barack obama, and his wife had slept. so, that was the allegation that was contained in the steele dossier, and it appears that, according to the -- according to the

evan perez, good evening. deadlines, lawyers, appeals courts. january 6 committee has lost patience with him. >> deadlines are for regular people. mark meadows says you are going to have to get a judge to make me come in to provide testimony they want. they gave him an ultimatum. show up friday at 10:00 a.m. or we are going to begin contempt proceedings. the committee is not going to get the answers or testimony they want because meadows says he's being ordered by the former president not to provide testimony because it's executive privilege which the courts haven't ruled if that's a thing or not. >> so the d.c. court of appeals hit pause on turning over the white house documents to the committee. what is the timeline? friday they were already in the process. when will we know? >> we are looking now at possibly december before this court rules. i will show you the briefing schedule which begins november 22 is the first brief from the trump team. the committee is on the 22nd and then the 30th is oral arguments. we assume whoever loses will go to

let's go to cnn's evan perez live outside the courthouse in washington as this is playing out. in there so far? >> well, kate, these three judges are hearing this case and they're hearing it quite skeptically. the trump lawyers are making the case that even though he's a former president, that he still has the power to say what is turned over to this congressional committee, even if the current president, president biden, has already said that he is not asserting privilege over these 700 pages or so of documents that the archivist was due to turn over more than a week ago. the fallback that the trump team is saying is even if the court says maybe these documents should be turned over, they're saying that the court should look at the documents individually, essentially trying to figure out how to run out the clock for this committee, which, as you know, wants to try to get these documents, need to try to get to the bottom of what happened on january 6th. the judges, one of them, judge brown jackson, i'll read you part of what she said. she said "this boils down to who decides wha

cnn's evan perez is joining me now.y these are not covered by executive privilege. . >> well, yeah. first of all, the first thing is usually we have one president at a time. and what president trump like a lot of things associated with trump, the former president is doing here is just not normal. usually what we have is the current president decides what is covered by executive privilege. and trump is saying that what biden has done, which is to waive privilege on 700 documents that the national archives is planning to turn over next week to congress, says that is the wrong decision. they're saying permitting this expansive request would harm future presidents and their close aides by allowing invasive congressional fishing expeditions. what he is looking for to hide or to keep secret, brianna, are documents like call logs. there are documents from lawyers who took notes and prepared memos in the key days as trump was trying to overturn the election. there are binders from kelly macken tphaeupby, former press secretary,

cnn's justice correspondent evan perez. here we go again.e is turning this into a circus as one would expect. he was live-streaming outside the courthouse today. he is facing up to one year in jail for each count. is this all a game to him? >> look, it's a production. as you pointed out, he showed up live-streaming from, in front of the fbi, the local fbi office where he turned himself in. and then after the hearing, where he, by the way, during the hearing he was very respectful. he had a totally different tone. he steps out and then that's what you see at the end of that hearing. but he was met by a production team that had arranged his press conference there with the microphones. so, yeah, it is a bit of a spectacle. i think you can see there he was name-checking all of his perceived enemies. the people who he believes are, obviously -- these are stars on his reality show. >> it's all about clicks, isn't it? >> yeah, and his podcast. he has a loyal following on his podcast. >> yeah. so president trump's impeachment lawyer is taking on ban

evan perez joins me now. the committee is, we've seen this play out a few times where they say we're going to consider these contempt charge, but they did take that route with bannon. so they have foreshadowed what's going to take place potentially with meadows. >> this is a step that as you said, they often threaten and we rarely get to this point. i mean, it's been, we have to go back to the reagan administration for us to find an example of the justice department prosecuting someone for obstruction of congress. that's what we have at play here. this is one reason why frankly, it took three weeks for the justice department, they allowed people complaining about how long it took. these are rare cases. and you heard from the committee immediately after saying this is, this shows you that there's a rule of law to play a role here and that they will not hesitate to use all the tools at their disposal to try to get information. one of the problems is that you can hear the clock ticking, right? they know that per

evan perez is outfront. and, evan, what else are trump's lawyers say inning this latest brief?s argument from the -- the trump lawyers is se essentially taking on both -- two branches of government, right? the congress, which is asking for these documents from the national archives. and the sitting president, the white house. the executive branch. which has said that the -- that the congress can have these documents from the previous administration. and so, what trump is trying to do is saying that, essentially, he is trying to protect this and current -- the current and future presidents from -- from congress. he is saying that essentially by -- by letting congress have these documents, you are going to weaken the current president and future presidencies. and i will read you just a part of it and it -- and it -- the -- the document says today that this will have a direct and immediate impact on the advice given to presidents from president biden and all those that follow him. again, it's an interesting framing of this dispute which, again, has the former president claiming th

let's go now to evan perez at the justice department. ing on behind the scenes as we've gotten now to this moment. explain. >> yeah, victor, look. i think to get to this point the justice department had to get around a number of issues internally. and that includes decades of legal guidance that has come from this department, which says that essentially people who were the president's advisers and that includes, by the way, people who are outside of the government like steve bannon. steve bannon has -- wasn't at the time of january 6th was not serving in the white house, but, according to him and according to the former president, he was essentially acting as an adviser to former president trump. for decades the justice department has held that those people do not have to provide testimony to congress unless they are given a waiver of executive privilege. of course, the former president has been claiming that he still has that ability. so the justice department had to go through, guys, for the last three weeks, they've been going through

and evan perez is outfront. s and this reporting. knowing what is in here gives you a sense of what they really don't want the january 6th committee or the american public to know about trump's role. >> yeah. it really does. without talking to donald trump, if you have these 700 pages, you really could put together a great picture of what the former president was doing in those key couple of weeks as he was trying to overturn his loss in the election. and key things that i looked at as i looked at the list of -- of items. there were three handwritten memos that were written by the chief of staff at the time, mark meadows. again, memorializing some of his interactions with trump and some of the people he was meeting with as they were trying to overturn the election results. there is a white house lawyer who wrote memos, and took notes during some of those key meetings. we -- erin, we've seen, already, testimony from some of the justice department officials who were over at the white house discussing some of these

evan perez joins me now. what the committee is basically saying about meadows at this point is what we did with steve bannon and this is potentially coming for you. >> right. i think the gamble they're making or i think the effort here is that they believe mark meadows is probably going to take a different tack than steve bannon, who you know, i think he feels standing up to this committee and is good for his podcast, his career, mark meadows is a different guy. he's a former member of congress and 30 days in jail may not sound so great to him. so they're hoping he arrives at a different conclusion. we heard a little bit from the committee though about what they believe is missing here. i'll put up a part of what they said yesterday. mr. meadows has failed to answer even the most basic questions including whether he was using a private cell phone to communicate on january 6th and where his text messages from that day are. this is something we saw in the russia vinvestigation, the mueller investigation. there

let's begin with justice correspondent evan perez. the judge hearing this case has strongly criticized the january 6th insurrection, handled out prison time to some convicted rioters. does that give us a sense of where the judge will stand on the president's claims? >> yeah. look, i think it does give us a sense of how she views the january 6th attack, the extraordinary nature of it, and it will, i think, play into her decisionmaking. but, look, whatever she decides and whatever the courts decide is going to have tremendous consequences not only for the former president and the current president but future presidents. you know, the former president is making a very interesting argument here. i'll read you a part of what his legal briefs say. it says the members of this committee have already concluded that the former president is responsible no matter what the evidence says. they can legislate accordingly or they must explain why each item requested would be material to any decision they intend to make. over 1,500, 1,600 documents are

our colleague, evan perez, reports that, look, the justice department just didn't see this as a very simple case. it's complicated, and it's rare. we're told that the decision to charge was made by career prosecutors, and it was supported by the attorney general, and he released a statement today. look, not all indictments come with a statement from the attorney general. but in this statement, he said, since my first day in office, i have promised justice department employees that together we would show the american people by word and deed that the department adheres to the rule of law, follows the facts and the law, and pursues equal justice under the law. so clearly trying to do some reputation rehab for the justice department that took a lot of flak, a lot of rightful criticism during the previous administration. now, there is another big question here that is going before the d.c. court of appeals. there's ongoing litigation between former president trump and the committee over this big question that the justice department has been grappling with here, which is this question of p

cnn's evan perez has the details. what are you learning? department and the treasury department on what is really a major operation. the u.s. government is going to announce that they have seized $6 million that was paid by companies that were victims of this massive ransomware attack. this is an attack using this ransomware called revil. and it was carried out against a software company, kasai ya, ended up infecting about 1,500 companies worldwide. as part of this announcement in the next hour from the justice department, we're also going to hear about charges against one ukrainian man who was arrested in poland last month. his name is jaroslav vasinskyi. there's also going to be charges against another person also linked with this group behind revil. his name is yevgeniy polyanin. he is believed to still be at large, still at large, possibly in russia. we'll hear about charges involving fraud, money laundering, just really a major operation that is taking some action against ransomware, which has grown, as you know, kate, exponentially in

so evan perez is outfront. the bottom line is this appears to be a real standoff here between the committee and meadows. >> right, erin. the inherent threat from the committee is if he doesn't appear tomorrow, they'll go to the next step, which could involve holding him in contempt and perhaps referring him to the justice department to be prosecuted for criminal contempt. and so that's what the threat that this committee is now making after meadows' attorney said today that essentially the current president, president biden, had violated norms by not shielding him, who he was obviously one of the closest aides to the former president. >> right. >> using executive privilege. he said that these were norms that normally shield people like him and, you know, the word "norms" of course is something that made people laugh at the current white house because we remember the norms that were busted over the last four years in the former administration. >> well, it's interesting. meadows wants to wait until there's a ruli

. >> evan perez is outfront. bviously, bannon making it incredibly clear, no intention of comply being that subpoena. and he is going on offense. so, where does it go from here? >> well, look, you know, this is going to be probably at least a year of -- of -- of trial process. >> wow. >> right. and so, for this committee, erin, which, you know, wants this information, they need this information as part of their investigation. it's not clear that they can do this again with any of the other witnesses. so right now, they are looking at this and, you know, the spectacle that steve bannon is -- is creating here. the fact that he is going to be, obviously, facing, you know, perhaps up to a year in -- in prison if he gets convicted on this, they are hoping that that induces some of the other members of the trump orbit to come in, and at least try to find an accommodation to -- to talk to them. and provide the information. some of these witnesses, mark meadows, people who worked in the white house are incredibly importan

and preet, i want to start with, um, evan perez, first, and jessica schneider. they broke this tonight. so, paula -- sorry, i am going to start with you -- paula, listen. we are expecting steve bannon to turn himself in on monday. so, what is going to happen after that? >> that's right, don. we expect him to self-surrender on monday and then appear in court that same afternoon. look, it's not expected that he would be detained while this all plays out. but like anyone, he has the option to potentially plead guilty, not -- not something that would be on brand for him. or he could fight this in a trial. and look, not everybody has the resources to take on the justice department but he does. and if -- big if -- he is convicted, he would also have the opportunity to appeal. i mean, this could be a really long, drawn-out process. but it appears right now, right out of the trump playbook, his approach is to delay, delay, delay, fight, fight, fight. now, while it is possible that the house could change hands, and the committee could go away, the indictment will not. th

let's get right to cnn's evan perez. what happens now? >> reporter: well, jake, this panel of judges gave the trump team even more time than they had asked for. right now they have outlined a schedule that takes us to oral argument on november 30th. which means we may not see a decision from this panel of judges until early december. this is a group of three judges. two appointed by president obama. one appointed by president biden. i'll read you just part of what they said. they say the purpose of this administrative injunction is to protect the court's jurisdiction to address apellant's claims of executive privilege and should not be construed in any way as a ruling on the merits. look, this is a group of judges that are probably going to take a very skeptical view of what president trump, the former president trump is arguing, but he at least has a lot of time. if you know, the democrats on this committee and the january 6th committee were hoping for a very expedited schedule. they know they want to see these documents. it is key to th

now, our colleague, evan perez, reports that the justice department really didn't see this as such a simple, clearcut matter. but the decision was made by career prosecutors and supported by the attorney general. but anderson, cases like this, they are rare. the last one, dating back to the reagan administration. and historically, the justice department's office of legal counsel has -- has supported and defended current and former administration officials from congressional subpoenas when the president asserted privilege. but here? we have a really unique circumstance because you have a former president asserting privilege but the current president declining to assert privilege. and we have seen the biden administration repeatedly note that this is an extraordinary circumstance and not what privilege was meant to protect. and so far one federal judge agreed. but we know this question is currently on appeal. there is ongoing litigation between former president trump and the committee. and the d.c. court of appeals will hear oral arguments on this very question on november 30th. >> pau

so i want to go now to our senior justice correspondent, evan perez. along with our chief political analyst, gloria borger. and shan wu, a former federal prosecutor who is also counsel to then-attorney general janet rino. so, evan, let's just start with the fact that this is a big move but it didn't come at the snap of a hand, right? it took 22 days for merrick garland to do this. got the grand jury involved and as jessica is laying out, um, there are challenges here. it's not just going to be an easy walk in the park to take this to a finish line. what was attorney general garland's thinking? and -- and why -- why -- why did he wait. >> well, look, i think for a lot of the critics who have been talking about this, i -- it seemed like a simple case. but inside this building and at the u.s. attorney's office, it was not that simple. as jessica pointed out, there is some novel issues raised by this. the justice department doesn't bring these type of cases very often. the justice department, you know, tends to be, frankly, on the side of people from the ex

let's bring in evan perez and ryan nobles with us elie honig on set. tell us what happened inside of that courtroom? >> reporter: yeah, victor, that was a name check of all of the greatest hits if you are steve bannon and you have a podcast and you need to fund raise, right. and so that is one of the things that yo that you heard from him just now in court. he was obviously a lot different. he answered respectfully to the judge when the judge advised him of his rights, the judge scheduled his arraignment for later this week before the trial judge and judge who is actually going to hear this case. and then he was released on his own, they took away his passport, they said, but he is free to go and has to abide by certain restrictions while he's out. but, look, as you could tell, from that little press availability just now, this is not a normal case. this is not going to be a normal case by any stretch of the imagination. not many show up to the fbi to turn them in with a live stream crew behind them. he is here with his own production crew, they're abo