have you talked to evan spiegel?e committed to making di achieve company business imperative and what do you expect from him? >> absolutely. this whole initiative came out as a result of a comment he made to me because i was saying here's the plan. it's about how to get more inclusive workforce product culture. i said to him the thing is no one company can solve this. if we wanted to do it right, it would be a cross industry approach. he was like than that should be at strategic priority. we come to this from a position of complete humility. if we are to ask the questions together, that's the way we are most likely to find success and accelerate what has been agonizingly incremental progress. we have to address the root problems. at the moment, we just plate musical chairs. at worst, we are pushing each other's employees. at the end, we have to expand the pool of talent by addressing educational inequities and other systemic barriers. emily: there's a huge disconnect between what executives think about the workplace

the first question was a very long one and a very long answer from evan spiegel.strating setback. but over the long-term they are investing to create solutions to help better serve their advertisers over the long-term so he's trying to focus on the solutions and how different their systems will be. he details how relying on apple wasn't sufficient to finding solutions. snap shares are still off more than 21% >> thank you, julia. and she mentioned some of the bigger players might be better positioned to deal with the changes in terms of having more money to spend to find new tools to deal better >> facebook, as much as people want to shoot against them, they are the best equipped to take arrows shot their way. this just reinforces some of the points we made earlier >> karen >> i agree with guy agreeing with me agreeing with him earlier in the show. it did sound very specific i think goggle as well has the tools to do it if they are down a lot going into earnings, that could set up nicely, as guy is pointing out, for monday >>> shares of tilray are trading higher op

emily: evan spiegel at the wall street journal conference earlier this week through some shade at mark zuckerberg's vision for the meta-verse, saying he thinks it is dystopian. he would argue is trying to connect people more to the real world, not trying to send them into a virtual world. what do you make of those two visions and how they are at odds, and who is making the better bet? >> what i feel is the new content is being concerned -- there is a media pitch that feels more interesting and more realistic. we are here to see what facebook's meta-verse will look like and what the vision is going to look like over the longer term over the next 12 months, it's being a little more realistic in this augmented reality world. tom: --emily: i know you are following our scoop that paypal has explored buying pinterest. do you like this or not? >> it feels like a blast from the past and is missing ebay. on a serious note, pinterest is a unique asset. it has staying power that some of the other platforms don't have. over the next several years, paypal probably needs pinterest more than pinteres

i think evan spiegel and his team really fell on their sword, they screwed up and did not focus enoughprove out the measurement side of the business. they're fixing that there probably a couple of quarters behind where facebook is paid what is been surprising, it is disappointing that they screwed up is not like it's a forever challenge, it will get fixed and get better in snap is been severely penalized for what will linda being a year from now what we all see as a relatively short-term problem not an exponential crippling long-term issue. liz: rich greenfield, thank you so much, great to have you weighing in on somebody hot media stocks. we are coming right back. the dow and s&p are accession lows. ♪ (vo) while you may not be closing on a business deal while taking your mother and daughter on a . . . your dreams, and the way you care for those you love. so you can live your life. that's life well planned. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ with chase security features, guidance and convenience, banking feels good. chase. make more of what's yours. ♪. liz: 3 1/2 minutes left to trade. don't look at the down

emily: have you talked to evan spiegel?tted to making dei a business imperative, and do you expect him to? >> absolutely. this came about as a result of it comment he made to me, because i was saying, hey, here's the plan. it's about how to get more inclusive workforce product culture. but i said to him, the thing is, there is no one leader, no one company can solve this. we really wanted to do it right. he took a cross-industry approach and said this should be the future. we came to this at snap from humility. our point is we don't have all the answers. if we are to ask the questions together, that is the way we are most likely to find success and accelerate what has been an agonizingly incremental process. we have to address some of the root problems. at the moment, we just play music or chairs. at worst, we are just pursuing each other's employees. at the end, we have to expand the pool of talent by addressing educational inequities and other systemic barriers. emily: as you say, there is a huge disconnect between what e