. >> money has always been the mother's milk of politics, evan thomas but is 2002 like something we've not seen before? >> i think so. i used to think thahat money was overrated that in the end it all even out. the super pac's me they get thiss unbelievable amount of money and there has always been at negative advertising, but now there will be a tidal wave of negative advertising. the other thing is that wall street's- they have always been a big donors, but now they are giant donors and they and getting to the point where it they basically it own congress. >> nina totenberg? >> in many ways, the is a for sale sign on the u.s. government. there are so many loopholes that allow so-called issue groups to spend money and nobody is accountable. it often comes in at the last moment to defeat people. i think it is a kindnd of scary thing for a democracycy. >> colby, from 1976 to 2008 every campaign was essentially controlled by the candite who would abide by limitations on what he could spend an rac. president obama in 2008 blew by that traditional and historical barrier and rode into uncha

>> evan thomas, isn't it an example where your prescription of a short-term stimulus and long-term belt-tightening has worked? >> i think that historically has always been the answer. it is always a mixture of long- term fiscal oversight and goosing the economy when you need it. the question is how you do it. psychology is important. people have to believe that even though you are not going to deal with spending cuts right away, he will deal with it in the long run. the markets have to believe, the bankers have to believe. you have a credible plan that deals with long-term deficit problems but at the same time stimulate enough to get out of the short-term problem that we are in it. you don't have to do it in an irresponsible way. there are ways to do it that are responsible, but the key is that it has to be married with the credible belief that you are going to deal with the long-term problem. >> part of the reason we have the employment numbers so bad is we have cut so many public jobs. it makes everybody -- you cannot get a cop, the fire departments are closing stations, libraries are closing. a

>> i think it was a quote that went around in the 2004 election i think it was from evan thomas who said "the media is worth 15 points to john kerry." i think that's completely wrong. if that were true republicans would never win. they seem to be able to win despite media criticism or hostility, whatever you want to say and also i think what's really fun these days is people, i just watched robert reich give a lecture, i would like the good old network and watch the same old news, the criticism we select the news we agree with, that's a reasonable criticism, but i think to the extent that media bias, i think the most egregious in the goldwater years. look at the media coverage it was atrocious. that doesn't happen as much anymore. you can criticize individual pieces but i don't tend to play that game much. >> norm any thoughts? >> of course, tom and i have written a lot about this. i do think there was substantial liberal bias in the mainstream press in the 1960s, i think there's no doubt about it. i think our media environment has changed radically. we have a partisan press now that is

>> talking about the presidents and we have bob karo on lbj and you and doris krns goodwin and evan thomas stars. >> all stars. >> never actually been called that. $10,000 bottle of wine or wine bill at the white house? >> he came out -- he spent $10,000 entertaining. >> yeah. >> really? >> ice cream. >> what's coming up? >> what do we have, willie? >> still ahead, tom brokaw is here, chuck todd and david axelrod. >> that is murderer's road, gehrig, ruth -- >> mantle. >> the third guy, theç '27 yankees. >> plus, a stunning upset at wimbledon. rafael nadal lost to the 100 ranked player in the world. come on. and italy shocked germany in the euro. >> horrible. >> how did it happen? sports is next. stay in the moment sanya focus lolo, focus let's do this i am from baltimore south carolina... bloomington, california... austin, texas... we are all here to represent the country we love this is for everyone back home it's go time. across america, we're all committed to team usa. looking for a better place to put your cash? here's one you may not have thought of -- fidelity. now you don't have to

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there's this quote that went around, i think, in the 2004 election i think it was from, i think, evan thomas that said the media's worth 15 points to john kerry. i think that's completely wrong. republicans seem to be able to win despite media criticism or hostility. and also i think what's really fun these days is people, i just watched robert rice give a lecture about, gosh, we all liked the good old days when we watched the same network news. well, the media monopoly's over. that's not without its problems. that's a reasonable criticism. but i think to the extent that media bias was really the most egregious in the goldwater years. media coverage was atrocious. i think a lot of it is still pretty bad, but i don't want tend to play that game much. >> norm, any thoughts? >> yeah, of course. tom and i have rib a lot about this -- written a lot about this. i do think there was substantial media bias in the 1960s, there's no doubt about it. i think, of course, our media environment has changed radically. we have a partisan press now that is back to the future, but with much greater reach, dept