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evan wolfson was the great liberal pioneer in terms of the legal work and we were forever a 33, 33, 93. 33 marriage, 33 something else please 33 never. and to have moved it, it's taken 25 years and i must say we persuaded the gay community first and i would also say this. i think aids epidemic cannot be discounted from this issue. it was then that we saw spouses barred from the hospital rooms of their dying loved ones, cut out of their apartments. it revealed that we were vulnerable. >> rose: it gave an you are general any. >> for me personally and a lot of us in this movement we were doing this for our dead friends, to make sure they didn't die in vain. and to make sure no one would have to go through that again. and on the other hand, many lesbians were beginning to have children and realized they had no protections over their own children. that they could be taken away from them by their own families, next of kin, legitimate next of kin and they weren't recognized. so all that came together create momentum and we knew that they'd have to lose. we knew going into doma when i testifie

of discussions on the issue of same-sex marriage over at the cato institute, we will be joining evan wolfson that is the founder of the freedom to marry coalition to talk about gay marriage live at 2:00 p.m. eastern,- 1:00 p.m. rather. also coming up in the afternoon at georgetown university, they will look at legal arguments with some of the attorneys from the gay marriage cases, beginning at 4:00 p.m. eastern. and here on c-span, following the oral argument in the defense of marriage act case, we will have an argument for you expected to run longer than today, on c-span and c-span radio. .org.udio will be on c-span we spoke with david savage that covers the court for that newspaper. >> what is proposition 8? how did it make its way to the court? >> it is a long story, it goes over about 10 years. people tried to win same-sex marriage and one before the california supreme court in 2008. the group of voters put a for theon the ballot, state constitution to limit marriage between a man and woman, passing narrowly, 52% in 2008. that, to very well known lawyers decided to challenge it and argue

that my far left, on in that sense, i won't call you a token democrat if you don't call me -- evan wolfson so often consider -- >> i'm the token trade guy here last night. >> the father of the gay marriage movement who has been working on it for a very long time as, can now see his work farther advanced than almost anyone would have thought. he is founder and president of freedom to marry. we will do it as a general discussion rather than with prepared remarks. i will throw some questions out there, and i should also mention, you've all got your cell phones on you. i don't even have to ask. i will mention that evan needs to label the early so he can go on fox news and today. we will respect that need, and if you are -- the reach of the questions afterwards, and yet the question that you especially want to ask evan, ways more frantically than your neighbors are waiting. let me sit down with the first question, which is the obvious one. how did this morning's argument go? >> i was there. sorry i'm late. i guess it was a pretty good shoes for this bill that is telling back from the court. the