as quote bad news it's 3 bad news evanovich our let's bring in our washington correspondent good news stefan simone's good evening to you so what do we know in terms of what the former ambassador actually said in that hearing today. so as you mentioned it was a closed door hearing however we know the following she said that she believes that she was ousted from her position as ambassador u.s. ambassador to the your crane by donald trump who is certain pressure on the state department who then in return make sure that she's losing her post she also said that she had about 3 times contact with rudy giuliani don't trump a private lawyer who was in the ukraine and that in all of those meetings are contacts with him biden or corruption was never ever a topic they talked about so that was interesting but the real cherry on the cake was that the democrats afterwards came out and said after the testimony of the former u.s. ambassador to ukraine and said that they have and they believe that donald trump in the white house tried to block her not only from that meeting which she defied obviously

some rather damning statements about the president in may president trump had evanovich recalled from her posting in kiev basically he had her fired reportedly because she blocked efforts to pressure ukrainian officials to investigate joe biden trump has described evanovich as quote bad news it's 3 bad news evanovich our let's bring in our washington correspondent good news chiffon good evening to you stefan so what do we know in terms of what the former ambassador actually said in that hearing today. so as you mentioned it was a closed door hearing however we know the following she said that she believes that she was ousted from her position as ambassador u.s. ambassador to the ukraine by donald trump who is certain pressure on the state department who then in return made sure that she's losing her post she also said that she had about 3 times contact with rudy giuliani doll trump's private lawyer who was in the your crane and that in all of those meetings or contacts with him biden or corruption was never ever a topic they talked about so that was interesting but the real cherry on

the state department to fire her and she was removed because of unfounded and false claims marie evanovich gave testimony to members of congress leading an impeachment inquiry into the u.s. president they're investigating whether trump pressured ukraine's a leader into investigating his democratic rival joe biden and his son who worked there mike hanna has more from washington d.c. . the former ambassador to ukraine mari you have one of each was instructed by the state department not to appear in congress however she defied this instruction appearing before the congressional committee behind closed doors then there was the case of opening statements being leaked and certainly according to that statement she came out with both barrels firing insisting that those with questionable motives had caused her recall from the ukraine that the direct instruction of president trump she spoke about what she called a hollowed out state department and certainly added to the congressional knowledge off the events that led to that phone call between president trump and the president of ukraine that lies a

us is full ambassador to ukraine says donald trump pressured the state department to fire her but evanovich gave testimony to members of congress leading an impeachment inquiry into the us president she says she was removed from her post because of unfounded and false claims the inquiry is investigating whether trump tried to pressure ukraine's leader into investigating his democratic rival joe biden and his son who has business interests in the country mike hanna has the latest from washington d.c. . the former ambassador to ukraine mari your benefits was instructed by the state department not to appear in congress however she defied this instruction appearing before the congressional committee behind closed doors then there was the case of her opening statements being leaked and certainly according to that statement she came out with both barrels firing insisting that those with questionable motives had caused her recall from the ukraine that the direct instruction of president trump she spoke about what she called a hollowed out state department and certainly added to the congressional k

the former ambassador to ukrai ukraine, marie young evanovich, telling house lawmakers that the deputy secretary of state told her president trump personally pressure of the state department to remove her, even though she has done nothing wrong, she blames what she calls unfounded and false claims by people who clearly have questionable motives. that is all according to her opening statement today. the trump administration removed the then ambassador who is a respected career diplomat at the same time rudy giuliani trying to get ukraine to investigate joe biden. president trump called the ambassador "bad news" in july phone call with ukrainian president during which he asked the foreign leader to investigate his political rival. the rudy giuliani, soviet born, conspired to remove the ambassador from the post by funneling foreign money to a u.s. congressman to buy his influence. the former ambassador's interview is still going on behind closed doors right now. we weren't sure whether the ambassador would show up today after the state department announced it would block employees from te

trump's decision to withhold military aid to ukraine and the circumstances surrounding her are sting's evanovich was fired in may after trump's lawyer rudy giuliani claimed she was undermining the president her removal was then cited in the whistleblowers complaint current joining us now former prosecutor and law professor at cardoza school of law in new york and it's a pleasure to have you with us in your view how important in the impeachment inquiry will this testimony be. it's potentially devastating she was ambassador to ukraine and rudy giuliani long left parnassum igor froome and the fellows who were indicted yesterday and working for months in ukraine to try to get the ukrainian government to open an investigation into biden that was on her patch that's in her jurisdiction it was a parallel foreign affairs effort outside the state department and she'd naturally miscues me objected to that. she was pressured by giuliani and his cohort they asked her to do things apparently she refused to do those things apparently but that provides her with a lot of information about what they were doing i

you happen to be one of the members who was in that closed door deposition yesterday with marcia evanovich, the former ambassador to president trump in may. tell us what your thoughts are out of that. >> sure, i can't say what happened inside the room. i can tell you that she is a patriotic diplomate with great integrity who did the right thing by obeying a legally binding subpoena. she set is example for others in the administration civil servants foreign service office that you can and you should do this. as far as the policy and the bigger picture, look, let me say this-- >> well, she also, the reporting out of that meeting yesterday was that she said, she made the case that president trump's firing of her was unethical, it was sort of out of bounds. >> well, it was completely contrary to the leadership of president trump's state department. so look, here is the big picture. the trump administration was running an excellent policy critic of president trump's it's not easy for me to praise him, but it was a perfect policy. it was better than the obama administration's policy. gillian: wo