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also with us, evelyn farkas, senior fellow of the atlantic council and a former deputy assistant secretaryongressman boyle, thank you very much for answering my tweet so quickly yesterday. i've got to say, when i was working in the senate, if we saw something like that, there would have been a race -- a race among senate staffers to get a bill into legislative language, you know, sunday morning. and as far as i can tell so far, the senate has been silent. you've come forward with yours, and you may have others in the house who will be coming forward with some kind of amendment or bill to stop this. what is your proposal? >> yeah. well, thank you, lawrence. glad to be twitter pen pals with you. i will tell you i'm doing two things. i'm filing a stand-alone bill which will be introduced tomorrow, our first day back in house session. and also attempting to amend the national defense authorization, which just happens to be coming up this week. my idea is to really use whatever legislative vehicle may be moving forward to make sure congress makes clear this completely insane and dangerous idea

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with me, evelyn farkas, a former deputy assistant secretary of defense. hn kriefr served for 20 years and was the deputy for the russian operations in the early 2000s. evelyn, i want to start with the breaking new, that he asked it twice and putin said he didn't do it. what do you make of it? >> i think it is too vague. what did he ask putin. i mean i didn't do it. didn't do what? it depends on the phraseology the president used but it doesn't matter. putin is going to deny it and the president is not going to get the answer he wants from vladimir putin. i would have liked the president to then tell vladimir putin that he needs to stop all of the ongoing interference in, you know, the cyber hacking, the attacks, the penetration of our systems, and if he doesn't do so there will be consequences. that's the message our president should have given vladimir putin. i wouldn't have asked him a question. >> all of this, john, leads us to what we're hearing that sounds like, frankly, a russian spy novel. a lot of people learning for the first time this word "dangl

joining us now, evelyn farkas, an msnbc national security analyst.th us, aid re an car nis ski, a senior fellow at the atlantic council and an expert on russia. adrienne, this is the buffoon meets the spy master. can it be anything else? >> if you think about it, there will be two people on each side in the room who have some role to play in the discussion. two of them have 20 weeks each of foreign policy experience. the other guys have 20 years each. so even from the point of view of a more normal presidency, this is unprecedented that a president would step in when president obama went in as a relative novice, he brought people like mike mcfaul and people who had spent years studying russia, years understanding their adversary. we have two guys involved in business transactions who are trying to get action going on russian soil. >> evelyn farkas, adrian reminds us that the least experienced president in history, who is an obvious ignore a muss about all things will be sitting there with the least experienced secretary of state in history. >> right.

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joining us now former deputy assistant secretary of defense for russia, ukraine, eurasia, evelyn farkassecretary, it's good to see you. >> thank you, thank you. >> i was talking about, you know, after the most recent developments in north korea, just talking about that i don't even want to -- i don't even want to leave new york because i'm afraid i'll get kidnapped and taken to north korea -- >> don't go to north korea i've been. in 2008. >> you've been >> yes but i would only go if you're part of an official delegation that's been accepted by their government >> i'm not going anywhere -- that's what i said i'm afraid to go to south korea because i'll get kidnapped and taken -- it's so frightening when you were there, you must have had some trepidation, i would think? i mean because all bets are off when you walk into that place, aren't they? >> interestingly at the time that i went it was 2008 and it was the bush administration in office and official from the department of defense, i'm not joking, tried to talk me out of going. and reminded me of when -- of how the north koreans, at th

it almost seems different when you talk about north korea we had evelyn farkas on on monday, she still thought russia was the biggest threat trump is going over to see putin. they can talk about north korea almost as being aligned against what could be really destabilizing globally with north korea. i don't know whether russia is our biggest threat >> right a military response to north korea is so difficult because it almost guarantees that you have a lot of casualties in south korea. >> 35 miles away >> exactly >> japan, our ally >> right >> south korea is going to be hit if this escalates. china prefers not to have akz send t south korea and the u.s. aligned. >> well, we have a jobs report that's what we do. >> that's going to be a market mover. >> what about wage gains that's why it is all surreal sitting watching great fireworks yesterday. and the entire community is there at the high school flags, and great music we cherish this. and i don't know if we can just take it for granted that it's always going to be as easy that's what i -- i didn't sleep well the eu approved italy's $6