and at one point, in the signing of one of those bills, he turned and handed the pen to everett dirksen, the senior republican from illinois and the leader of the republican minority in the senate and he was the one who, in the critical moments, brought a number of moderate republicans to vote for the civil rights bill. you're saying that was a deciding moment, a defining moment? >> so there are three major historical facts, or changes, that have gotten us into the mess that we're in. so the first is the realignment of the south into the republican column, which allowed both parties now to be pure. so that now there are basically no liberal republicans matching up with conservative democrats. so, the parties are totally separated. the second thing that happened was the replacement of the greatest generation by the baby boomers. >> the greatest generation fought world war ii. came home. built the country, ran the economy. people's politics, and, created this consensual government your talking -- >> exactly. these are people who joined groups, had a sense of civic responsibility, particip