filibuster, 200 years from now school children will know only two names, abraham lincoln and everett dirksen. how could he resist? >> host: no ordinary time: franklin and eleanor roosevelt, was a pulitzer prize winner in 1995. team of rivals, 2005, won the lincoln prize. several other books in between all of these. you kind of disappear when you're writing a book, don't you? >> guest: it takes me so long. i mean, it took me longer to write the "no ordinary time" about world world war ii than ik the war to be fight. it took me ten years to write lyndon, seven years to write teddy and taft. but i love it. it's not like i'm just writing every day. i'm reading, i'm researching, i'm going to places where i'm reading their letters and diaries. i love the process. >> host: do you like the book tour? it's been a rough year for you. >> guest: it has been a rough year. my husband died a few months ago, and if he still were alive, i probably wouldn't be able to go on this tour. but in a certain sense now, it gives me something to do, something to think about, and i do love meeting with people. i even l

those historic laws also got passed because of the leadership of republicans like illinois' own everett dirksen. so neither party has had a monopoly on wisdom. neither party has been exclusively responsible for us going backwards inspected deed forwards, but i have to say this, because sometimes we hear a plague on both your houses. over the past few decades -- it wasn't true when jim egger was a governor here in illinois, or jim thompson was governor. got a lot of good republican friends here in illinois, but over the past few decades, the politics of division, resentment and paranoia has unfortunately found a home in the republican party. this congress has championed the unwinding of campaign finance laws to give billionaires outside influence over or politics, systematically attack voting rights to make it harder for young people and minorities and the poor to vote. handed out tax cuts without war to deficits. slashed the safety net wherever it could, cast dozens of votes to take away health insurance from ordinary americans, embraced wild conspiracy theories like those surrounding benghazi.

those historic laws also got passed because of the leadership of republicans like illinois's own everett dirksen. so neither party has had a monopoly on wisdom. neither party has been exclusively responsible for us going backwards instead of forwards. but i have to say this because sometimes we hear a plague on both your houses. over the past few decades, it wasn't true when jim edgar was governor here in illinois. but over the past few decades, the politics of division and resentment and paranoia has unfortunately found a home in the republican party. this congress has championed the unwinding of campaign finance laws to give billionaires outside influence over our politics. systematically attacked voting rights to make it harder for young people and minorities and the poor to vote. handed out tax cuts without regard to deficits. slashed the safety net wherever it could, cast dozens of votes to take away health insurance from ordinary americans, embraced wild conspiracy theories like those surrounding benghazi or my birth certificate, rejected science, rejected facts on things like climate chan

those historic laws also got passed because of the leadership of republicans like illinois' own everett dirksen. so neither party has had a monopoly on wisdom. neither party has been exclusively responsible for us going backwards instead of forwards, but i have to say this, because sometimes we hear, oh, a plague on both your houses. over the past few decades, it wasn't true when jim edgar was the governor here in illinois, or jim thompson was governor. got a lot of good republican friends here in illinois, but over the past decades, the politics of resentment and paranoia has unfortunately found a home in the republican party. this congress has championed the unwinding of campaign finance laws to give billionaires outside influence over our politics. systemically attacked voting rights to make it harder for young people and minorities and the poor to vote. handed out tax cuts without regard to deficits, slashed the safety net wherever it could, cast dozens of votes to take away health insurance from ordinary americans, embraced wild conspiracy theories like those surrounding benghazi, or my bi

something to do with the fact that he sought impeachment coming and he was told by scott and everett dirksen that he liked the votes in the senate to avoid conviction but let me ask you your. >> it was very much the fact that he was going to lose in an impeachment battle that the house would impeach and the senate would find him guilty and remove. that appeared to be the case. but i think also, richard nixon had done something that was, made it very awkward for him. he had pulled people aside and told them of falsehood that he had nothing to do with the cover-up until i had told him about it. it was a flat out lie and he had been caught in that by the release of the so-called smoking gun, but even more basically, i think he left because the man at his core had a respect for the rule of law. not one of the differences i find today in mister trump and the reason i don't think he would resign. because he could care less about the rule of law . >> if we could begin to wrap up. >> one more. >> ultimately, also it was those republicans in the united states senate who delivered the message we won't

filibuster, 200 years from now school children will know only two names, abraham lincoln and everett dirksen. how could he resist? >> host: no ordinary time: franklin and eleanor roosevelt, was a pulitzer prize winner in 1995. team of rivals, 2005, won the lincoln prize. several other books in between all of these. you kind of disappear when you're writing a book, don't you? >> guest: it takes me so long. i mean, it took me longer to write the "no ordinary time" about world world war ii than ik the war to be fight. it took me ten years to write lyndon, seven years to write teddy and taft. but i love it. it's not like i'm just writing every day. i'm reading, i'm researching, i'm going to places where i'm reading their letters and diaries. i love the process. >> host: do you like the book tour? it's been a rough year for you. >> guest: it has been a rough year. my husband died a few months ago, and if he still were alive, i probably wouldn't be able to go on this tour. but in a certain sense now, it gives me something to do, something to think about, and i do love meeting with people. i even l

something to do with the fact that he sought impeachment coming and he was told by scott and everett dirksenthat he liked the votes in the senate to avoid conviction but let me ask you your. >> it was very much the fact that he was going to lose in an impeachment battle that the house would impeach and the senate would find him guilty and remove. that appeared to be the case. but i think also, richard nixon had done something that was, made it very awkward for him. he had pulled people aside and told them of falsehood that he had nothing to do with the cover-up until i had told him about it. it was a flat out lie and he had been caught in that by the release of the so-called smoking gun, but even more basically, i think he left because the man at his core had a respect for the rule of law. not one of the differences i find today in mister trump and the reason i don't think he would resign. because he could care less about the rule of law . >> if we could begin to wrap up. >> one more. >> ultimately, also it was those republicans in the united states senate who delivered the message we won't

something to do with the fact that he sought impeachment coming and he was told by scott and everett dirksen that he liked the votes in the senate to avoid conviction but let me ask you your. >> it was very much the fact that he was going to lose in an impeachment battle that the house would impeach and the senate would find him guilty and remove. that appeared to be the case. but i think also, richard nixon had done something that was, made it very awkward for him. he had pulled people aside and told them of falsehood that he had nothing to do with the cover-up until i had told him about it. it was a flat out lie and he had been caught in that by the release of the so-called smoking gun, but even more basically, i think he left because the man at his core had a respect for the rule of law. not one of the differences i find today in mister trump and the reason i don't think he would resign. because he could care less about the rule of law . >> if we could begin to wrap up. >> one more. >> ultimately, also it was those republicans in the united states senate who delivered the message we won't