i do not know the justification in the everson case, extending it to the states. think it was a mistake. [laughter] i think the supreme court got itself involved in a whole mess by trying to decide every single state's issues. i think it was an issue best left to the states. that is just my opinion, and it is a little late. [laughter] it is a little late. i don't know. maybe there was a basis. there are some lawyers present who could clarify -- how in the world did they get into this mess? i think they just asserted it. >> i see a question right back there in the middle. >> do you feel the recent supreme court decision allowing sectarian prayer at political or legislative meetings is with jefferson's statute? >> the way they made that case -- i have read that greece case. that seems to be ok with me. i think it would be very offensive if they did not allow prayer. i think continually trying to push religion out of the public marketplace is a mistake. the question is, how does it get in? how do you allow it in? do you would allow it in on a non-sectarian basis? you

there has been an army post here everson's the war of 1812.in this museum, the most important item is this painting. it shows the culmination of the --tle between the royal navy when the royal navy had finally closed with the americans, and they audit out. , for an yards apart hour and a half. there were some 90 guns firing at the same time. the noise was so disoriented that the sailors were unable to figure out what was going on, and they began to load cannons one ball after the other after the other until they had so many cannonballs that the ball rolled out the end of the barrel, and another case where they put too much power in and the cannon exploded when they set it off. there is a huge cloud of smoke out on the battlefield, and at the very end of the naval battle, the british struck their colors there on the right, and that was seen by the general who was sitting up on the hill. when he saw that happen, he knew he had lost the battle. without the navy, without the ships to take his army south, there was no point in going on any longer,