so short-term, negative can exaggerated. there's good reasons for that we are creatures that grouping savanna or environments where were the only subject to threats. so we are looking at the that's going to hurt us. but we are no longer as environments. we are in a complex economy that really relies on organizations to provide us with necessities. so we have to everything you and the longer-term, focus on stories that represent trends do not exaggerate noise and we have to get away from here. so fear play the role in the development of human societies in the earliest stages is encoded in our dna. but to evolve to this complex modern environment we live in, we have to update. so that's a sure question speaks to you. >> host: are you fearful venture capitalists? >> guest: you know, the opposite of that is maybe you say well, venture capitalists has to be inherently optimistic, you know, because why would you invest in some thing that the returns and so forth. telling about and prosperity, that is history easily care to race. t

so short-term on the negative come exaggerated. that's what's talked about any ideas. we are creatures who grew up in the savanna or environments where we were always subject to threat. so we're looking at that thing is going to hurt us, but we are no longer in those environments. we are in a complex economy, that really relies on organizations to provide basic necessities. so we have to update our thinking in a longer-term, focus on stories that represent trends and not exaggerate noise and we have to get away from here. so fear. a role in the development of human societies in the early stages is encoded in our dna. but to evolve to the complex modern environment we live in, we have to update the most basic aspects. so that's what your question speaks to. >> is a fearful venture capitalists? >> you know, the opposite of that, i may say well, venture capitalists has to be inherently optimistic because why would you invest in some thing where there's uncertain returns and so forth. telling a story about the coming prosperity is the story easily characterized. this is an

more i think least in many of the cases we've seen so far they exaggerate all for well good disco has a different day who advises your financial advisor and they know i have to disclose now i also exaggerate my opinion and that the net benefit disclosure is not helpful no i don't think it means we should not have every disclosure and so on but i do think it's important to realize that disclosure is not the panacea it's not going to fix everything again disclosures like a band-aid and saying let's create a system with better and didn't and disclosure i would much rather create a system from the beginning that doesn't have that many billions so yeah and then just real quickly before we go you mentioned that that punishment has not necessarily got a target for a crime when you're doing it when you're down that slippery slope but there's punishment send a message and terms sav the social norms if you're if a wall street c.e.o.'s prosecuted does that send a message to wall street bankers and his firm and others that says hey ok better be careful of actually people are going to jail for thi

also interesting is that this year the party that is disclosing and you disclose you what they exaggerate you are pretty good law. so low i asked the question if this is the part that is closing is the other quality of the listening party going to disclose more or the part of the disclosing is going to exaggerate more i think least in many of the cases we've seen so far they exist duration all full well good disco that's a different day who advises your financial advisor and they know i have to disclose now i also exaggerate my opinion and that the net benefit disclosure is not helpful no i don't think it means we should not have every disclosure and so on but i do think it's important to realise that disclosure is not the privacy of it's not going to fix everything again explosions like a band-aid and saying let's create a system with. and disclosure i would much rather create a system from the beginning that doesn't have that many billions a year and then just real quickly before we go i you mentioned that that punishment is not necessarily going to turn it for a crime when you're doing

a very old story which is now irrelevant that's what so it's exaggerate i agree completely the problem is the chinese flooding the russian streets and you know it in the scientists it's been it's exaggerated and people who worry about chinese presence not people who live there because they need changes in the chinese working force they have great people some politicians some political scientists in moscow who think about this while we are speaking there this communist party congress is the coming to an end well what occurred to me is that the importance of this congress is now less it's no less important than the elections in the states for maybe both maybe war but not only for china but for for over for the whole world but why why is the chinese leadership the chinese authorities what do they do they feel. more media coverage where they want to keep it so low profile of this is tradition remember the soviet union when we had the commies by did you know some people you know she didn't disappear before the congress and said how come they don't announce why do as we did invite hundreds o

being- exaggerations- and some of us poorly estimate the value of human beings. so we are not- to me, we are not the greatest society when it comes to social maturity. >> you know, that's one of the problems we've wrestled with in this class over and over again, because we hear such beautiful statements of love and caring and equality and justice coming from deeply religious people, and it's like you say, you know, somehow we haven't matured to a level that even respects the religions we profess. i'm just curious, in terms of your understanding of islam, how does that, in your own life, lend itself to making us better- better human beings? >> well, i don't want to compare my religion with another religion, you know. >> i guess more personally, then. >> yeah. well, from my personal- i'll speak from personal experience. from personal experience, i find that i have to really depend mostly upon my ability to think and make accurate decisions or sound judgments, etc. i find that for my own life, for my own peace of mind, i have to depend upon my mental abilities more

we see into the capabilities and without gore because of his cereal exaggerated. anyone of the stories but then we have them it important to become the internet from legislation. so he has leaked out of -- link them together and that helped in the long run. >> host: and then why did the mistakes of president clinton or george w. bush bush, why are those not fatal mistakes? request else's going on? there is a comment made about but do have a message jan two went on to say bomb iran and it was a three day wonder. but it was crowded out and nobody carried it on. i compare that to the statement under fire in bosnia to repeat time after time until the media said is this true? then the than the obama people said look at credibility. it was so dramatic that i don't like people to lie to us and this is as close as obama saying she lied to us. who else pushes it is important if you have a candidate suit falls in south dakota and on the campaign trail all day. exhausted, 12 different stops. >> where they think they are at that point*? >> gary hart? >> if gary hart created t

. >>> some have reports of a sex fantasy league which may have been exaggerated. >>> it is a little bit wet out there, we will tell you what is happening with the morning commute. . >>> time now just about 5:12, new claims of a sexual competition, new reports of a sex fantasy league where they earn points for activity of, may have been exaggerated. some alleged incidents involved making out but not sexual activity. >>> they say some are expected to cast their ballots by male in the next election. requests have exceeded those in 2008 when 40% cast their ballots by male. many are not decided until days after the election. mail in ballots take longer to count because the signature on the envelope have to be compared with those on the voter registration card. >>> president barack obama gets back to the campaign trail after focusing his response to hurricane sandy. the president is getting a boost in the final days of his campaign, allison? >> reporter: it is still an extremely tight race, pam but president barack obama is getting resounding praise for his response to the hurricane crisis an

grant's reputation for drinking has been exaggerated. grant didn't have so much a drinking problem as he had a problem of holding his liquor. no, no. the distinction is not unimportant because grand in essence drank himself out of the army in the 1850s but the reason he drank himself out of the army in the 1850s was he was stationed 1,000 miles from his wife and children, the younger of whom he had never seen. he was stationed on the dreary northwest coast of the united states and coming from the northwest i can tell you if you are not from their, their is a strong tendency to depression, even suicide during the winter months. the sun goes away on the first of october and it might come out by the first of the following july but the last of the thing was grand was in a drinking culture. army officers in those days were expected to drink like gentlemen which meant they were expected to drink a lot and not show the effects. grant's voice would start to slur when he had one drink. he would start to wobble when he would have two and he was a

the fact listed were exaggerations, and dukakis actually answered them. a countered a that responded to the charges, but that didn't really matter because what really mattered was the image. in 1988 the media wasn't doing fact checks so ad makers could create images that were loosely based in truth and then exaggerate them. >> the ad proved that in politics, some of the most painful wounds are self inflicted. >> jennifer: for sure. for more about negative commercials we're going to turn to nashville, tennessee, john geer who is also the author of negative defense. welcome. >> thanks for having me. >> jennifer: you admit to approving of negative ads. >> you think about the due cuss cuss ad he was trying to argue that he was strong on defense, and the bush administration pointed out the he wasn't. and exsal ration cuts both ways. >> jennifer: i'm sure that is true. 80% of theed a by president obama this time around are negative. while 84% of mitt romney's are negative. is that more than in the past? >> yeah it's a lot more. there has been a steady increase

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they are exaggerating to tell the people to have confidence in the oil, the oil industry, i selling 22%ina and 13% to india. melissa: fascinatingnsight. he's always able tout through the noise. we'll follow at's haening in iran and bring you the latest developments. all right, next on "money," will tax hikes for the richill economic growth? i say, of course, they will, but a huge supporter of the increase is here to disagree with me. breaking out the calculators. you don't want to miss it. it's a fight to the death plus, fearless felix redefines "awesomeness," the super sonic space jump just doesn't break records, but sends red bull's brand into the stratusophere. piles of "mone ♪ melissa: so whether you earn $250,000 a year or not, you're going to feel the effects of the tax hikes on the wealthy. why? because it's going to kill economic growth, and that could make it harder to get a job. it seems obvious to me, but a new congressional budget office report nixes the topic. the directer of exterm government affairs with economic policy institute thinks the report proves me wrong. never.

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. >> jennifer: 20,000 to 30,000 e-mail pages, that has got to be an exaggeration or something. how do you explain that? because somebody would have to spend their entire life e-mailing away or at least the past year to be able to get that kind of volume. >> well, what the pentagon official said today was that that could include all of the messages they were ever involved with. if you see a lot of people on an e-mail chain and they were included, that would be covered by these documents. the other thing that some senior aides and friends of allen said in the pentagon and washington today was that initial impression may have been something of an exaggeration but it is a great detail. this is a story with a lot of great details that people are latching on to. >> jennifer: let's jump in over to petraeus. if allen is denying he did anything inappropriate the charges against petraeus who has admitted that he did something inappropriate, how serious are the charges against him since he's no longer in uniform? >> they're less serious but there is one potential wrinkle for petraeus as c

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. >> the number of protests reported are grossly exaggerated said the wal-mart executive. adding we had our best black friday ever and our wal-mart, one of the unaffiliated groups was unable to recruit for the made for tv events. >> now, this question of coordination between groups like our wal-mart and the big labor unions openly acknowledged here today is one of the critical issues investigated by the national labor relations board and wal-mart asked the board to halt picketing on the grounds that the uscw union is improperly using them to original the work force. nnl labor relations board say it's highly anticipated the ruling won't be ready until next week. >> james rosen, thank you. >> it was a good day on wal-mart, the dow gained 173 and the s&p 500 was up 18. and nasdaq finished ahead 40 and experts credit economic signals coming from germany and china and progress on the grobing debt issue. the crippled greek economy is blamed for a steady rise in suicides there. and 690 attempts through the first eight months of this year, following 927 in all of last year. and gr

plastic bags hurt the environment while opponents say the harm's really exaggerated. >> you won't find plastic bags at bob's market in southern california. they are banned in 50 cities and counties across the state. francine shops with her own reuseable bags and wants more communities to enforce bans. >> if they went through a garbage dump or trash site, they'll think twice about it. >> supporters of the ban say plastic bags crowd landfills, threaten marine life. >> where plastic is banned, stores go through piles of paper bags. those also take a toll on the environment but about 50% do get recycled. >> that's compared to about 5% of plastic bags. manufacturers say banning the bags is unfair. >> the amount of litter that plastic bags produce is less than half of 1%. >> with the aadvocacy group. and plastic bags make up closer to 25%. >> litter on the streets gets washed through the storm drains out to the beach. and plastic bags are often part of that trash. >> since the floating plastic can resemble jelly fish, animals confuse it for food. the future could depend on what happens in lo

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nonetheless, he says the downgrade is exaggerated. private u.s. rating agencies like moody's are subject to much flak in europe. critics say they gave ailing wrote u.s. banks operating as in 2008. many want the establishment of an independent rating agency instead. >> the european markets take the downgrade in stride. we have this report from the frankfurt stock exchange. >> brands getting another blow by u.s. rating agencies, but it did not have a strong effect on the markets because traders already expected such a step. therefore, traders do not fear that france will have to face much higher borrowing costs. the yield rose only moderately. they could wipe out the first losses and could move forward. again and, the very successful spanish bond option meaning they could collect more money than expected. -- the bond auction could collect more money. >> closing at 2172 on the dax. 2509. >> debating next year's oppositions and the government has failed to hold the line on the present spending. >> in spite of record tax returns and cash from private c

magnitude of the protests promised by folks on the other side, also grossly exaggerated. statement, they say the bottom line is they're on their way to one of their best black fridays ever as far as their customers. back to you. is there hampton, thank you for that. we should probably mention as well, this is obviously purely anecdotal but one of our >> our producer who is there says he hasn't seen any of those protesters in walmart employee gash which obviously feeds back to what we were discussing earlier that amongst those protesting from walmart themselves, there are a number of people from the community, perhaps even those tho have been bussed in. >> it clearly has not disrupted shopping. that goes on, that's for sure. >>> millions of americans are hunting for bargains this black friday but are the nation's millionaires among them? wealth editor robert frank has that part of the story for us right now. robert? >> thanks, bill. turns out millionaires will not be joining jane wells on those best buy lines this morning or today. 83% of millionaires will not be doing any

of the most touching and harrowing tales in mortenson's books appear to have been either greatly exaggeratedde up out of whole cloth. >> i went to the area to find a place to build a school, and what happened is, i got kidnapped by the taliban for eight days. >> the kidnapping story was featured in three cups of tea and referred to in his follow-up best seller, stones into schools, with this 1996 photograph of his alleged captors. we managed to locate four men who were there when the photo was taken. two of them actually appear in the picture. all of them insist they're not taliban and that greg mortenson was not kidnapped. they also gave us another photo of the group with mortenson holding the ak-47. one of the men, mansur khan mahsud, is the research director of a respected think tank in islamabad and has produced scholarly articles published in the u.s. until recently, he had no idea that he had been shown as a kidnapper in a best-selling book. >> that's me. >> we spoke with mahsud via skype. he told us that he and the other people in the photograph were mortenson's protectors in wazirist

over the years, not because of one event, but because of his, kind of, pointed out as a serial exaggerator any one of those stories -- explain a way, you know, never said he invented the internet, but helped create. invent, we have him in a laboratory, on the computer, doing it. he was very important in terms of creating the arpa net that became the interpret for legislation, but he had that story and a story about he and his wife were the models for the book love story, and the author said that's not true, and so he linked all of these together and say, okay, he's a serial exaggerator, and i think that, you know, hurt him in the long run. >> host: then why did the gaffe the or mistake or a president george clinton, george w. bush, why are those not faye -- fatal mistakes? >> guest: one is, what else is going on in the world at the time. john mccain made a comment about, you know, asked a requested about what to do in iran. send a message, a bomb, obviously, and he said bomb, bomb, bomb iran, and it was a three day wander. you know, few people remember that. a lot of coverage, but a lot of

but tonight, rumors of the hostess's death may be a little exaggerated. >> kevin tibbles, on the food and jobs. in this country, kevin, thank you >>> and still ahead, dangers on the road. distracted drivers who happen to be police officers dealing with a lot of electronics on the job. are they ignoring the same warnings they have given the rest of us? >>> and later it was images like these that inspired a group of high school students to get out of their comfort zone and come east to make a difference. >>> we have talked a lot about distracted driving, much of it because public officials and law enforcement have identified it as such a danger on our roads. now, however, police officers are under watch for distracted driving. if you have looked at the issue of distracted driving then you know what is competing for their attention on the road. it has grave dangers, fair warning, some of them you're about to see in graphic fashion. our report tonight from nbc's tom costello. >> reporter: near ft. worth, dash cam video of a police officer running the red light and the crash that injured t

jeffrey lieberman, a researcher in the trial, and he said the claims of superiority were greatly exaggerated, of the new drug. the aggressive marketing of these drugs may have contributed to this enhance perception of effectiveness in the absence of information. so apparently they haven't done their test to show this new drug was an improvement over what existed. there is very little research in this country of com parityive effectiveness. and that is looking at a new drug, comparing it in what we call a head-to-head trial to see whether the drug offers an improvement. when the fda aproves a drug for marketing, a new drug, what the manufacturer has to establish is that the new drug is better than nothing. >> are we talking about wikperdol? >> that's one of the drugs. this is a whole category but that's the one in the study. if you found this is true, the newer drug will claim it's an improvement or suggested an improvement, plus the impact of the advertising programs and the solicitation of doctors from brands? i don't want to -- we're not here to fault brand drugs and we'll explain that in

students at piedmont high school say reports about a so-called fantasy sex league were exaggerated.eporters for the school newspaper interviewed male athletes and girls who said they were involved in that league. varsity athletes reportedly scored points for hooking up with girls on the list. but the students say they defined hooking up as making out and not necessarily sexual activity. the students also refute the principal's claim that alcohol was used to get girls to engage in sexual activity. >>> the trial of an elementary school principal now under way in santa clara county. she is accused of failing to report child sex abuse allegations against a second grade teacher at the elementary school in san jose. prosecutors say she ignored parents concerns about the teacher and did not report him to police. the teacher was arrested four month later after a second parent reported inappropriate behavior to police. the principal's attorney arguing she had no way of knowing the contact was sexual in nature. >>> an 81 date to a developing story on the east coast. this morning what is left

east bay, students at piedmont high school say reports about a so-called fantasy sex league were exaggerated. student reporters for the school newspaper interviewed male athletes and girls who said they were involved in this league. varsity athletes scored points for hooking up with girls on the list. but the students say they defined, quote, hooking up, as making out and not necessarily sex. the students also refused the principal's claim that alcohol was used to get girls to engage in sexual activity. >>> the trial of an elementary school principal is now under way in santa clara county. evelyn vijay endarin is accused of failing to report child sex abuse allegations against a second grade teacher in san jose. prosecutors say he ignored parents' concerns about the teacher and didn't report him to police. the teacher was arrested four months later after a second parent reported inappropriate behavior to the police. the principal's attorney argues she had no way of knowing the contact was sexual in nature. >>> thousands of struggling homeowners are getting the help they need in the south bay

the supervisor has seriously exaggerated the nudity in jane warner plaza and now a city wide problem and involving every elected official in local government. this has given the supervisor media attention and has name is known around the planet and throwing away san francisco live and let live and i ask you where is the evidence? i will tell you what evidence i have. i have a petition with 1500 signatures and comments and asking you ladies and gentlemen, the board of supervisors, not -- i politely repeat not to implement a city wide nudity ban. the supervisor from district eight refers to some of his own constituents as disgusting and a blight on the neighborhood. this has rendered intolerable in san francisco california. sadly many people in the community now refer to the castro district as district hate. ladies and gentlemen of the committee please stop this head line grabbing and i implore you to kill this legislation today, right now, today before this hearing adjourns. thank you. >> thank you. next speaker. >> good morning supervisors. my name is due and have been a resident of

this is just another union publicity stunt and the numbers that they are talking about, they are exaggerated. if they are scheduled to work on black friday, then we expect them to show up and to do their job. if they don't depending on the circumstances there could be consequences. >> reporter: wal-mart has been successful in stopping repeated attempts to unionize their workers in the u.s. it's not clear if they are trying to form a union or shame them on the biggest shopping day of the year. ben tracy, cbs news, los angeles. >>> well friday we were writing a what pitch ware for the twinkie -- an obituary by hostess. the maker of the twinkies and the other treats, entered mediation with a striking union. they blame the strike for their lickation and debt issues. they face changing pub lis tastes. >> anything is possible. but you know then again they were so far apart the first time. >> hostess has about 18,000 workers at 33 plants including one in oakland. >>> if you are one of those guys that spends $2,000 for the last box of twinkies, then you got stuck. they are getting stocked up in the

because they are going to give us the exaggerated investigator, which is what i would if i were them. >> good afternoon, commissioners, department of public works. what we have found is the loss of unintended consequences was very true in this case. the initial law passed was for mobile truck operators to be able to operate in the city, to bring a diversity of food in a variety of areas. when the code was written it restricted the commercial zones specifically. so when we printed out the map, what you see, and what happens is most people just fixate on where the most areas of concentrated in red is where you are supposed to be able to operate. so for them it's an easy area to try to identify. what we found was that most of the people wind up asking for the financial district, the market street area. those zones that are identify there had, where there was a concentration of many lunchtime diners and restaurants which creates a level of conflict. with notification, usually the first thing the department hears they are like food within 300 feet of where i am. they object to the what is

but investigators still found the exaggerated billings paid at the nursing homes, sometimes for a therapyhat didn't even take place. >>> a lot of people in mourning tonight for the favorite childhood snack. the company making those twinkies, cupcakes, honeybuns are going out of business. hostess says that a nationwide strike crippled their ability to do work so after 82 years they are shutting down. some fans are stocking up on their favorite snacks today. there's a chance that another bakery could buy the hostess brand. can't live without your twinkies? we posted the recipe online so you can make your own. just go to our website on wusa9.com. >> luckily i stashed mine in my purse, derek. >>> okay are they vampires or fashion models? derek weighs in on the latest twilight saga in tonight's let's be real. >>> and up next, helping out the victims of super storm sandy. we join her on a very emotional journey, top? >>> well we hit 55 today. kind of chilly today. here's your wake up weather for saturday. really a nice saturday morning. 28 to 38 at 6:00. 30s and 40s at 8:00. we should be in the