for example israel is shifting a good part of nuclear forces to see. now this it's a good thing to do. the iranians are countering by mobilizing missiles and fixed silos to launch. we could go into details but i'm trying to rise above this and point out there are already strong interactions in these military systems and regions. >> eliot: as the number of nuclear nations increases does the inevitability of a nuclear confrontation almost make you certain there will be in the next 30, 40, 50 years a nuclear war? >> i'm not that pessimistic. the problem is the nature of the country. if you tell me that japan were to get nuclear weapons, i wouldn't like it, or canada. but when you tell in iran will have nuclear weapons pakistan has doubled the size of its arrestagriculturearsenal does give cause. >> eliot: pushing nonproliferation which you argue has failed, and you list its grown significantly and as well as we've reduced our nuclear stops, both the united states and russia to the point they're smaller than they used to be, but certainly sufficient right

this is an example of why israel cannot be trusted. reporting for nbc, gaza. >>> happening now and switching to the holiday shopping season which is now officially under way. it is black friday at stores across the bay area and nationwide, of course. as people race to find the best deals, we have nbc bay area's bob redell at the place to be this shopping season. i know you are not alone, bob. >> reporter: i wasn't this morning. good morning, marla. we are here at paragon outlets in livermore. new outlet mall. the mall opened at 10:00 last night. the big crowds have come and gone. you see the johnny-come-latelies. getting good deals, but not as good as the the ones last night. to get the savings required serious sacrifice and patience from the early bird shoppers. >> black friday. >> reporter: it would seem the answer is no one judging by the thousands of people shopping overnight in 40 degree temperatures at the outlets in livermore. even at 8:00 a.m., shoppers were still lined up for an hour and a half outside this crystal store for a

for example, israel has already reportedly eased restrictions on fishermen in the waters around gaza, allowing them to go out twice as far as they could before the hostilities. human rights organizations have been calling for easing of the restrictions since the siege of gaza was initiated in 2006. and after international pressure in 2007 and 2010, reforms were made. after firing roughly 1500 rockets at israel at civilian centers and killing six people, hamas can turn around credibly claim their military tactics worked. that they brought about a change in israeli policy. this isn't the first time that hamas has emerged from a violent confrontation with israel with a concrete policy victory in 2006, hamas kidnapped israeli soldier and held him for five years before the netanyahu government secured his release in exchange for 1,027 palestinian prisoners. real politic requires dialogue with hamas and even negotiations with them when it's called for. but it also requires the same with respect to the body that represents palestinians in the occupied west bank, the palestinian authority. th

for example, israel eased restrictions on fishermen in the waters around gaza, allowing them to go out twice as far as they could before the latest hostilities. organizations and members of the international community have been calling for the ease of these restrictions since first initiated in 2006. after pressure in 2007 and i gain in 2010. after firing roughly 1500 rockets at israel, the civilian centers and killing six people, hamas can turn around claiming their military tactics worked, they brought about a change in israel. this is not the first they have a concrete policy victory. in 2006, they kidnapped an israeli soldier and held him more than five years before the netanyahu government secured his release for the exchange of 1,027 palestinian prisoners. this isn't a perfect world and it requires dialogue with hamas when it's called for. i say you are right. it also requires the same with respect to the body of palestinians in the bank, the palestinian authority. the posture toward the government, a posture explicitly endorsed by our own government makes a disquieting contrast.

israel to cease doing things that it. has been doing for the past several years in other words palestinians in the gaza strip for example now according to this agreement have the freedom of movement up to and including the boundaries between israel and the gaza strip in other words it is still in prison largely in this in their own land. of course everyone is even though you are. and i don't think i would disagree with that characterization at all but i think there are elements in this agreement particularly if it leads to a genuine easing and eventual lifting of the blockade. that help explain why so many palestinians feel that they came out of this strengthened in an improved situation but at the same time ironically it's precisely because of the point you're a made about israeli public opinion and so on that the next round could be sooner rather than later in terms of israeli politicians particularly. as expected netanyahu was reelected being heavily criticized for basically and being up at the end of this position no better and arguably worse than where he was before it began europe did you think netanyahu miscalculated

they are citing this as an example of how israel is not to be trusted to uphold the truth. >> that is one side. i'm going to bring you in, martin. what is the israeli military saying about the situation? >> reporter: well, the prime minister's office is saying they're examining what happened. the military says that there was about 300 palestinians approached the fence and that they we they were shouting slogans. one was shot. there were several locations along the length of the fence. they haven't said -- israelis have not yet said officially what they believe happened. they said they're investigating. the issue, of course, is that that no go area which was declared a no go area by israel several years ago specifically because there were so many incidents like this, they wanted to prevent be occasions where the palestinians approached the fence where terrorists were laying land mines along the fence, also shooting israeli's across the border. they were trying keep the 300 yard no go area. it is palestinian land. because of the volatility of the situation right now it's a very difficul

well they could be targeting for example political members of hamas they could be targeting people who israel thinks are responsible for supporting rocket fire sounds ready territory these are the supposed targets according to israel but earlier today we've seen as i said what's being called in gaza and al glee massacred by so many gazans the al dillo must go whether the building that they targeted the family home was full of civilians only presumably that means that you yourself are in danger along with the other people where you are at the moment. well i'm happy to be on live television because i think that increases my security somewhat well it's good to hear from you keep safe thank you very much indeed for joining us live from gaza as we heard explosions there in the background during that live broadcast thank you very much indeed harry fish. who displayed reportedly being sent into gaza u.n. spokesman chris gunness says gaza is heading for humanitarian disaster due to political failure israeli bombing runs and the notorious blockade. we were hearing as others that the situation in shifa

>> well, i think the danger for israel for example, it has a right of self-defense, but obviously if it decides to return ground troops to gaza the optics there work against israel in a much -- in a region that now is governed far more by populism than by authoritarianism. i think it has to make sure that its response is aggressive, tries to deal with the threat to israel's people, but doesn't go too far. >> let's talk about the united states' potential role. health care was president obama's defining achievement for his first term. when we look at a second term will the president look at middle east peace, the road map to peace might this be his big deal for his second term? does it need to be? >> i think that's part of the motivation here. you know, you have coming up the palestinian authority which of course controls the west bank but not gaza is preparing to try to move toward enhanced status within the united nations and then president abbas indicated in the aftermath of that he might petition prime minister netanyahu to resume middle east negotiations. hamas obviously hears that

collaborating with israel how come they're part of this alliance between western powers and israel in syria for example why of their governments so absolutely pitiful a powerless in the face of this massacre of the palestinian people that's going to have very severe regional implications m.p. george galloway a great pleasure to have you joining us here on the program today thank you. well just a bit earlier in the program here on r.t. i spoke to an israeli official who hailed the ongoing operation as a success despite the rising number of civilian casualties and. this is being so far one of the most surgical pinpoint military operations in modern military history i think again you will see that the civilian to militant casualty ratio will show up in israel to have unfortunately killed civilians but fall fewer then than any other comparable military. action but you have a pin point operation you call this one of the most precise and exact and pinpoint military operations that israel's unknown in recent history and that can allow for what you might consider collateral damage the killing of children when

>> before the vote, there were threats that israel, for example, would stop collecting taxes for thean authority. that appears to be off the table. this is what happens. mostly it's the u.s. fault. let's be clear. it's what happens when you take threats off the table. we've been through this before. we did this 20 years ago, and defeated the palestinians. this is how we did it. secretary of state jim bakker issued a statement saying he would recommend to the president that the united states make no further contributions, voluntary or assessed to any international organization which makes any change in the plo's status as an observer organization. if the administration had simply done what jim bakker did 20 years ago, this thing would have been deader than a door nail. >> greta: it feels like israel is on the run in terms of things that are happening with israel. >> i think they are. i think what happened in this cease-fire with hamas leaves them in a strategically weaker position. it leaves iran and its terrorist supporters in a stronger position. you've got the ongoing effort by the

that the palestinians will now use the new status to go for example to the international criminal court in the hague where they can accuse israel of alleged crimes and of course these kind of threats in the past has prevented some israeli lawmakers as well as many tributes from traveling abroad because there are concerned that could be arrested over such issues so united states through its unflinching support for israel has alienated a lot of its old time allies in the united nations susan rice the american ambassador to the united nations after slamming the vote again reiterated the american position that it will not change anything on the ground to a grand pronouncements. and the palestinian people will wake up tomorrow and find that little about their lives has changed today's vote should not be misconstrued by any as constituting eligibility for u.n. membership it does not this resolution does not establish that palestine is a state and yet talking to the average israeli on the street largely the response here is muted most israelis i've been talking to are actually by and large ignoring this fundamental and historic occasi

they are citing it as an example as to why israel should not be trusted when it comes to anything involving gaza and its commitments to the people here. alex? >> may i ask you quickly have there been any inspections of the fence, the area around which the shooting allegedly happened? the idf has said that people were trying to, you know, scale the fence and doing damage to the fence. has that been confirmed? >> reporter: well, to be honest with you, it has not been confirmed and palestinians have not said that took place. from the perspective of the palestinians, they told us they were going out to their farmland and as they approached the fence, that's when they came under attack. there was no mention of them attempting to breach the fence or attack the soldiers on the israeli side. for journalists, we're not even allowed to enter that area. we would be exposed to the threat of israelis who maintain a very strict no go zone area. palestinians thought they could do it and certainly that's what led to the incident today. >> okay. ayman mohyeldin, thank you for that. >>> special correspondent

european nations were at war, with germany and france being perhaps the best example, the germans have a special relationship with israelecause of what happened with germany during the second world war, the cult -- the germans thought about saying no but then lowered it down to abstain because they wanted to be closer to the majority of european countries in what they vote for. van left the -- >> can you give us some perspective on the u.s. position? why are they so opposed to palestinian statehood? >> the u.s. are the closest ally of israel by a large margin, so they do not really have a choice. they have to support israel, especially the obama administration, that has the reputation of being more israel- unfriendly than previous administrations in a very israel-friendly country, especially obama, who does not have the best of relationships with benjamin netanyahu, the israeli prime minister. they had to do this publicly. of course, they say that it is for different reasons. they say the only way to a palestinian state it is through direct negotiations. we all know that has not worked in the past years, especially the

border that plays a role of course in how the political shake down happens in inside israel so you have for example bibi netanyahu worrying about what is his base going to think about the fact that he has not sent israelis u.s. made f. sixteen fighter bombers to attack damascus hopefully he won't even consider that i don't think he is considering that but the fact that he's not he probably fears that he will pay a political price for not invading syria or attacking damascus and so part of what's going on in gaza in terms of the timing of this because israeli officials have said on numerous occasions we need to occasionally remind the people of palestine they don't say the people of palestine they say the arabs or the palestinians we have to remind them that we are in charge we're in control but part of the challenge right now on the timing comes back to if bibi netanyahu is worried that he's going to be accused of not being tough enough in responding to syria he can respond to gaza and be as tough as he wants and we're almost out of time but i cannot get to this basically it's an apartheid system t

. >> it's the doves who empower the hawks and i'll give you an example of it. in 2005 israelducted an experiment and they spoke to gaza and they said this is a model and we will leave to gaza and then we will leave the west bank and then the question is what happens if the gas is used to fire missiles and the whole international community says they expect you to fight back and israel in h to do that and then came the goldstone report and put out by the, quote, doves. how did we leave the west bank because if we leave the west bank and hamas takes over and we try to defend our people, people like nick and others will attack us and therefore, it's been very, very hard to make peace because of the way israel is condemned. i support the obama administration's view. defending israel's right to defend its people by proportional means, and it's important for the international community to support that if you want to see israel eventually leave the west bank. that's the only way israel can leave the west bank if it knows it will have support, if it has to defend itself against rocket

israel's hands. >> but does it mean that they can join u.n. bodies, for example, the u.n. -- international criminal court. and many worry that they could go after is real progress this is what caused israel the most concern, that the palestinians can challenge them in the international fora, most notably the international criminal court. there is concern that soldiers all over the world will be subject to icc challenges. they see it as a not a step toward peace, but one of confrontation. >> france voted yes. germany and britain abstained. they were kind of on the fence. what of the peace talks, which everyone says they want? >> my concern is that this might push peace? further away rather than forward. given that you need israel at the table and that the u.s. tends to be the shepherd of peace talks, the palestinians defied president obama's express wishes not to do this. the u.s. calls for direct negotiations. we have seen this in the wake of the reaction. prime minister netanyahu said this is not a vote for peace. the challenge is getting the two sides back to t

that the palestinians will now use the new status to go for example to the international criminal court in the hague where they can accuse israel of alleged crimes and of course these kind of threats in the past has prevented some israeli lawmakers as well as military leaders who are traveling abroad because they are concerned that there could be a wasted over such issues the israeli response to those though the official birth remark will give us the spokesperson for the prime minister's office is that israel too can also use the legal routes that is will also go to the i.c.c. for example and accuse the palestinians of allegedly crimes of using rockets to be fired on to civilian populations and as well and also firing them from civilian areas in the gaza strip and there is another important development what we're hearing increasingly from commentators around the world is that the larry. flinching support for israel particularly over this whole vote in this but has separated the u.s. from old time in allies if we look at how the vote went there were one hundred and thirty eight countries that voted in favor there were forty one

when you talk about foreign policy, war, matters of life and death in israel and gaza, for example, youed states to be an honest broker to try to save lives and bring peace and that's when you do want a united front with leader from both parties in this country. if you had a serious person like john huntsman who could sit down with president obama or whom ever the president may designate and discuss these things seriously and come up with a united front, it would really be extremely helpful. >> i don't want them to have a united front. i want them to have a big fight. i want it to be a quality fight between informed people even if they have wildly different perspectives, but where they actually might represent some other people because they're speaking truth. they have earned it. they haven't been given that job and failed at it, and they might have -- i am happy for them to have a clash. >> you can have a fight when you're trying to determine or put forward your foreign policy, but when you actually get to the crunch, when you're actually going to war, we have been in war in afghanista

put putting the weight of the united states behind the idea of de-escalation, encouraging israel to not, for example, start the ground war they are threatening to start. that position is essentially where most of the world is with this conflict right now. the head of the united nations went to egypt today where he would appeal personally for deescalating the violence. why did he go to egypt? after ousting hosni mo bark, negotiations are going on as we speak and i hope we will reach something soon that will stop the violence and counter-violence. the whole world is working on trying to deescalate this conflict. the european union weighed in today as did russia. russia preparing a u.n. resolution calling for a cease fire. probably our closest ally abroad in matters of war and peace is britain, and they are taking the same line as president obama, although they are being even more direct about it. the foreign secretary saying that hamas bares responsibility for what's going on, but he warns that "a ground invasion of gaza would lose israel a lot of the international support they have in this situation.

. >> if he needed the example of how israel and the campaign season that has been. he got a little choked upper thanking his campaign aides after the election or heat gun. he got a little choked up before the election lenya's thinking volunteers but syria's the second time around saying things use all those people who have tended to set term. >> i felt of the word that i done in running for office had come full circle. because when you guys with the word that i was doing was important. a very proud of all of the of. (cheers & applause) to >> and today the press and is said to deliver his first official statement since his victory. he will talk to the about the economy and we will go live coverage of it. here is expected to speak at 10 05 this morning. 737 >> 737 a m in the san mateo bridge has lots of sunshine and we will be back in a moment. ♪ [ male announcer ] start with an all new award winning car. good. now find the most hard core driver in america. that guy, put him in it. what's this? [ male announcer ] tell him he's about to find out. you're about to find o

that immediately border syria and have an impact and obviously, israel, which is having grave concerns, as we do, for example, about movements of chemical weapons that might occur in such a chaotic atmosphere. it could have an impact on the region as a whole. i'm encouraged to see that the opposition created an umbrella group that may have more cohesion than they have had in the past. my envoys will be traveling and meeting with people. we consider them a legitimate representative of the as operations -- aspirations of the syrian people. it's a broad-based representative group. one of the questions we'll continue to press is making sure that the opposition is committed to a democratic syria, an inclusive syria, a moderate syria. we have seen extremist elements insinuate themselves into the opposition. and one of the things that we have to be on guard about, particularly talking about arming opposition figures, is that we're not indirectly putting arms in the handles of folks who would do americans harm or israelis or otherwise engage in actions that are detrimental to our national security. we're constantly

that immediately border syria and have an impact and obviously, israel, which is having grave concerns, as we do, for example, about movements of chemical weapons that might occur in such a chaotic atmosphere. it could have an impact on the region as a whole. i'm encouraged to see that the opposition created an umbrella group that may have more cohesion than they have had in the past. my envoys will be traveling and meeting with people. we consider them a legitimate representative of the as operations -- aspirations of the syrian people. it's a broad-based representative group. one of the questions we'll continue to press is making sure that the opposition is committed to a democratic syria, an inclusive syria, a moderate syria. we have seen extremist elements insinuate themselves into the opposition. and one of the things that we have to be on guard about, particularly talking about arming opposition figures, is that we're not indirectly putting arms in the handles of folks who would do americans harm or israelis or otherwise engage in actions that are detrimental to our national security. we're constantly

secret and not available to the public they use examples like what we saw with the stuxnet virus that computer virus developed by the united states and israeljointly it caused quite a bit of damage at an iranian nuclear plant you know this we want to say something similar happened of virus that infected computer and software in programs here in the united states that you know the government needs to be able to act and to do so without being open about it what's your response to that well i don't think we doubt that the n.s.a. is. position they have expert computer security individuals working for them their expertise is unquestioned as well as the people working in cyber security there are at the top of their field these are incredibly intelligent individuals however i think that our government is based on public accountability and regardless of what actions are taking maybe the different safeguards need to be built in notifying the public after the fact so that they're able to effectively counter maybe a dangerous virus or something however that transparency needs to be built in and we need to know what they're capable of doing as soon as