we have about four people from excella 21 tech here every afternoon. they are proposing ideas for how to implement a system for the work flows that we need, etc. >> are we going to have a presentation at each meeting? >> i would have to check on that. >> we can make that a monthly agenda item. >> i think that would be reasonable until we understand what is going on. >> i think that that is where we have looked at the public interface and participation happening at the meetings. >> yes. we got a lot of feedback on that debt load. people are excited about the project. >> i would say that at the last pac meeting, there was a category based on some of which were shown being in place in the present system. i am sure that there has been significant progress from that point. that was where it was going to be measured from the progress. >> exactly. that was the baseline delos system. this one will be much more integrated. -- demo system. this one will be much more integrated. >> are we having planning strongly participate? or do we need to encourage them to ha