. >> the exceptionsa we're seeing here, they probably don't have the depth of experience, that's why the army asked for an exception of policy, in a number of -- health, noncommissioned officers, logistics, supply, administration and intelligence and so forth. and so, it -- the experiences of those women who have been attached in those units, combined with the ones we're going to be assigning here, with this exception of policy, their collective experience is going to inform the future decisions we're talking about. >> why -- i mean it seems to me we're winding down in iraq, we're winding down in afghanistan, wouldn't those be the best metrics in terms of whether women can serve in -- the attachment units, those who are already serve until combat and at the brigade level? >> i think what we're gaining here is the assignment of women in those positions and secondly, in the area that we're addressing the co-location elimination, women have not been serving in those specialities. we have had zero tank mechanics in the army. that has specifically been excluded to women. this is an increm