to took place just now allow the exfiltration. desperate for cash and only looking for a quick it, you're not going to take that time. the first difference between these guys and almost everybody else is they were willing to and be patient. second, they had this -- this -- division of labor where skilled in ple were the initial hack. skilled e were people at exfiltration. hen finally skilled at montization. most groups, most gangs, don't kind of really specific division of labor. the other thing that really should be pointed out is that the case that we announced in really a continuation case. albert gonzalez the albert gonzalez case is a number of reasons and andy actually worked on it. high school, i think -- no. but -- but it was -- it was an mazing case that resulted in the longest sentence in cyberhistory, albert gonzalez is 20 years right now. for one- he was amazing albert gonzalez was caught initially. he flipped. cooperating at a high level. at the same time he was cooperating at a high level on hacking at , he was extrem

and look to see once the change, what took place just now that allowed the exfiltration? so they waited. if you are desperate for cash and only looking for a quick hit, you're not going to take that time. the first difference between these guys and almost anybody else was that they're willing to wait, they're willing to be patient. second, they had this division of labor where they had specific people who were skilled at the initial hack. then there were people who were skilled at exfiltration and finally there are people who are skilled at monetization. most groups, most gangs don't have that kind of really specific division of labor. the other thing that should be pointed out is that the case we announced in july was really a continuation of the albert gonzalez case. albert gonzalez case was an amazing case for a number of reasons and andy worked on it. i was still in high school, i think. [laughter] it was amazing for one reason -- it was an amazing case that resulted in the longest sentence in cyber history. albert gonzalez is serving 20 years right now. it was amazin

they did not exfiltration any data. the systems would not necessarily see brand-new code and immediate exfiltration and look to see, what has changed? what took place just now that allowed this excellent ration? they waited. if you are desperate for cash you are not going to take that time. the difference between these guys and almost anybody else without they were willing to wait. they were willing to be patient. secondly they have this division of labor where they had specific people who were skilled at the initial hack. then there were people who were skilled exfiltration. finally, there are people who are skilled at monetization. most groups and gains do not have that kind of really specific division of labor. the other thing that really should be pointed out is that the case we announced in july was really a continuation of the albert gonzalez case. it is amazing case for a number of reasons. in the actually worked on it. -- and the actually -- andy actually worked on it. i was in high school. [laughter] it was an

then there were people who were skilled at exfiltration and finally there are people who are skilled at monetization. most groups, most gangs don't have that kind of really specific division of labor. the other thing that should be pointed out is that the case we announced in july was really a continuation of the albert gonzalez case. albert gonzalez case was an amazing case for number of reasons and andy worked on it. i was still in high school, i think. no, no. [laughter] it was amazing for one reason -- it was an amazing case that resulted in the longest sentence in cyber history. albert gonzalez is serving 20 years right now. it was amazing for one reason , that albert gonzalez was caught initially. he flipped and began cooperating at a very high level and at the same time that he was cooperating at a high-level on the one hand he was hacking at an extremely high level on the other hand simultaneously. he is quite a character. he was caught again and his arrest really spurred on this heartland case which was still producing results as of july of this year. and he can probably giv

we try to stop, not only infiltration, but exfiltration, where sewage would actually leak out of the pipe. the head is larger, so it breaks away the old pipe and allows the new pipe to come in behind it. griffin: we are saving about 67% of the cost of actually digging old pipe up. clyne: it's less invasive than an open-cut process, where you would open the whole trench up and replace the pipe. it's called "trenchless" technology, so... that's as good as it gets. griffin: we don't have to dig up everyone's yard, and we refurbish that pipe at a much-reduced cost. another technique, the cured-in-place lining. it's equivalent to putting a large sock through the existing sewer. we form a new pipe inside the old pipe, and therefore we seal up all of the defects that allow rainwater to come in. hunter: we repair about 730 leaks a month in our system. griffin: the improvements that we've made will make the environment better. we had approximately 1,000 overflows occur in 1999. today, we've reduced overflows by 45% to 50%. and it's going to continue to improve as we go forward with the rehabi

yourself, you show you get in, get out, demonstrate exfiltrate data. cybercriminals have become more professional. that's a trend we're trying to deal with. we'll continue to. i s gotten away from the -- don't know if there was an group, but there's more dedication to getting paid than there used to be. that's a good capitalist. talking about the landscape rom the criminal profession is changing. the russian government came out ecently and stated if you're a cybercriminal and hacking against other countries, you should not travel outside of russia, right. countries cially to america has treaties. he law enforcement around the world is working together and i think the same is going for the operations urity around the world. so i changed my operations based upon the regulatory requirements of certain countries and of where the data i want to steal the tes in and i track arrests of bad guys around the world and i understand how they are arrested and so i can how law enforcement is doing what they do around the world. that's an important part. they're stud

three years ago where somebody apparently from russia hacked the georgia ministry and try to exfiltrate the document. and the computer emergency response team in georgia found out something was fishy and they actually put a pdf fire rigged had malware embedded and something fancy like nato agreement. so the russian hacker apparently stepped to the trap and hacked him and took a video of the guy and picture with his web cam. it's a guy sitting there and his wife in -- >> if anybody hasn't seen the photograph. go home tonight and dig it up. it's exactly what you think it would be. [laughter] but it's an interesting point. it didn't solve the attribution problem. they didn't know who it was. they had no idea who of it. >> okay. chad, back in your days in dhs let's say company x got attacked. they call you up and say, i know my government. they are not going attack back on my behalf. because they don't want to escalate to a general cyber war. do you have any problem if we think we know who attacked us if we blow up their servers? >> well, it's a fair question and we -- when we got asked tha