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our entire philosophy is the sspns will go to sea and get lost out there in the vast expansie expanse of the ocean and isn't threatened by anything. the soviets had a difficult problem particularly before they got long-range missiles and patrolled off our coast. even after they did they wanted to protect bastions where they were operating their ssbns. we didn't appreciate this until very much later on in the evaluation of all of the intelligence that became available in the 1970s. >> we may have time for one last question. yeah, go ahead. it is double barreled. i want to ask for those of us who may not be able to stand this afternoon if you will say a word about the incidents in which you said there was an you said it's not so, as the cia put it, that there was never any shots fired in anger. >> oh, okay. let me hit that one. very quickly. everyone here knows of gary powers being shot down. but the soviets also shot down eight, ten, twelve, i don't recall the exact number, a dozen u.s. air reconadvance aircraft. the first one in 1946-7 a navy patrol bomber lost i think twelve crew men