couldn't find out what they wanted to and it was not nearly s much privacy is what people would like to expctrticularly in a time where i would rather be protected. neil: so it is that bad? >> oh, yeah, it is that bad. neil: either hacking or websites shuttg down, the latest with instagram, so many others, "the washington post" and "the new york times." again and again. do you see a pattern? >> you better believe it. every single digital asset that we have is under attack. >> do you think we are really under attack. >> snack of course. >> so there are technical algorithms? >> it may well be. it's still under attack. and you have to keep your defenses up. so in talking about the defense budget. if i had my choice between spending money on metal or digital protection, i will go with digital protection every single day of the week. if you look at russia. and there are conversations, with a warship, it is a situation where it takes a number of years to build. all of the technology in the warship is already obsolete. and it's not going to serve the purpose then. on top of that, if i want to destab