interview about his family, about his patriotism, about his thoughts on tax reform, which he's expectediexpected stood out to me was his call on the bond market. that's where the high -- >> you know, jamie always has -- he has a tough job in that he is trying to thread a particular needle, which is -- and i was glad thatwilf asked about the comments he made on the call i think we actually have -- i think we have that tape. should we show it right now? oh -- >> not yet >> we don't. but the point being that while he will say he's a patriot and he's not embarrassed by the country, he also is embarrassed in large part, i would contend, by lots of things that have taken place and how he describes that and says that is -- >> not enough structure. >> is a tricky little game >> and tying it together with the theme we were discussing earlier, you know, he was asked flat out, wilf asked him, is wall street haud ahead of silicn valley on diversity, and he said yes. and had some comments, specifically, why on that. not often that we get that kind of unscripted talk about culture and diversity. a topic that