dead from the generations of the dead, what it was like spiritually for people living -- like experienc ially. a sound archive is not going to be defined by the voices of the famous. by politicians or of academics or of purchased -- or of artists, intellectuals. either much think quality -- i very much think the quality of any national archive pendant on -- is going to be dependent on the archives containing the everyday experiences overall numbers -- overall members. talk between two people, usually family members, sharing an experience. this is being archived in the national archives. i very much think that a national archive must have this kind of material, as it is bedrock. thank you for your remarks today. in our era, when the definition of radio seems to be changing or challenged, i am curious to hear your sense of radio pandora, i heart radio, podcasts -- the proliferating number of podcast technology available. many which call themselves radio. but traditional radio people argue that it is not. what you think radio is today? how would you define that, given all of the changes? you cat