these programs back to the state and local level, we would have innovation, and diversity, and experimenttation, we would learn what works better, copy when bill clinton about with welfare reform, get better results, i don't' politicians making the decisions in washington on pork barrel. gerri: that is the way it works about 99.9% of the time. we even have the g.o.p. onboard, some members, a interesting group of people who want to raise the gas tax, what is wrong with raising the gas tax to fix roads and bridges. >> if would not be anything wrong if it, if the state or local government is the one that wants to make that decision. we probably do need more infrastructure, but the question is whether we'll get the best bang for buck by having washington do it. washington is where we get bridges to no where, the corruption. not that state and local governments are immune but at least people are closer to the problem, they were what bridges and roads need work, you are less likely to get the waste you get with washington doing it. gerri: tom republicans in congr, saying they would like to do differe