it could be dismissing body language and again, it is one of my areas of expertis and suffice to saypeaker likes the tea more than the president of the united states. we'll go frame by frame. >> the president could avoke and envoking the 14th amendment and raising the debt limit. >> i don't know. i think the worst thing to happen is tefault and the 14th amendment is something that the president needs to do and certainly clear to me that's what he needs to do and simply said that the public debt shall not be questioned. bill clinton thought he should do it. >> a move like that would purgreater constitutional, the time for that has come and gone. >> i would have preferred it to be done a week or two ago. i think it can be done. i agree with grove and norquist who said raise the debt now. fight it out in 2012. i feel sorry for john boehner and i think he is a captive of the conference and a lot of newer people. >> why do you feel sorry for john boehner. why not the president. who is captive of whom here? >> i feel sorry for our country, frankly neal, people send us to washington to try