when you expunge a record, that means you lie to society. into a job and when they ask you, did you commit a crime you put "no" down, you're a liar. that's not a good citizen. >> larry: judge, respond. >> well, the individual isn't lying, the politicians that passed the law, elected officials in the legislature have passed the law stating that. so adhering to the law is not lying. >> if they ask you if -- if they ask if you've committed a crime and you say no, you're lying. >> excuse me, excuse me. not if the elected officials have voted -- >> larry: it's still lying. >> you're still lying. i wouldn't want to be put in a position to lie. >> larry: pat, let him finish. >> an expungement for the most part is just that. it takes it off your record so it's no longer on your record. >> larry: so you can get a better job. >> correct. and the purpose which is that. >> i used to put we'll discuss. you're not going to get a job, you're not going to get an apartment or nothing. to you say yeah, i was convicted of murder, but i was just standing there

i do not call it expunge because there's no true excitement, but the dismissals, they are not eligible for that which makes it hard to get jobs because most job applications ask a question about criminal history and convictions. they cannot lawfully answer no convictions. then, they are subject to extensive criminal background checks from commercial companies, and i know quarries will talk about the impact of that. they cannot work. the zero court fines and fees often, and they cannot pay his back, which means they can i get dismissal even when they are off probation. you can see the cycle that goes on here. people do not know that they are not eligible for applying for fire services after many of these. we have had clients pick up new misdemeanors for applying to own a firearm. sometimes, what was really happen is people would pay a great deal of money to get into some of the technical schools, truck driving schools. they want to become a certified businesses and, these low-wage jobs. they pay money to go through the training programs and graduate and find out they are ineligible for

sent to state prison, there is a seven-year waiting period before you can fight to have your record expunged through a pardon process. our third panel will be talking about that issue. so we've got a great program for you today. and i know you're going to enjoy it. i'm now going to introduce two speakers. two great leaders who are the heads of two of the most progressive legal organizations in california. the first is arturo gonzalez, the president of the bar association of san francisco. arturo is one of the top trial lawyers in the nation and he's a partner at morrison forester. we've had the pleasure of working with the bar association for -- over the past 20 years to provide services to people who can't afford lawyers when the public defender is not available and so we're very pleased to have arturo here on behalf of the bar association. thank you. [applause] >> thank you. three days ago in one of the most closely watched supreme court cases this term, graham versus florida, the united states superior court forbid the sentences of a juvenile to life in prison without the possibility of p

just will not be the best of seven series meaning rest days will be few and far between the leagues expunging continues apace in the form of two new sides you dropped from one team on ceased i'm still a buck and i'd fit to live. in moscow hasn't always been the most easiest of places to go jogging clogg streets on the luck of running tracks just some of the difficulties keep fit enthusiastic faced over the years but. reports of that could be about to change. different joel different each different call base but what does unite all that speedo is sail off. however be a pace if you heard us when it comes to jogging you go many people just don't understand what makes you what makes you not why you're running and why life can be fun why should i do. and all this stuff but. once we move the other one month we can all start to work with the bar with the runners understand that this is not true but this will just you know some thoughts behind you know to change people's attitudes sportswear nike has opened ten running clubs and most of those guards when you athletes can get professional opinion and

since nine eleven inspired by jihad that has not been addressed what has it what is islam doing to expunge it's not on of the violence texts that inspired jihad you know the west event itself you size all these acts of flu are well over one hundred mosques around the country the muslim american society has more than forty chapters around the country and the post nine eleven climate i'm sure the government would know if these charities are arrogant they are going anywhere and i necessarily frightening that there are fifteen hundred mosques across this country i mean don't we practice the freedom of religion and i know that's not what's that's not what's frightening what is what i rated by the but by if they're operated by the arm of the muslim brotherhood that's frightening and we all know that every single claim fifteen thousand excuse me fifteen thousand six hundred forty four islamic attacks have had the in for mater of a muslim credit cleric the times square bomber chris that's what they're trying to buy the company was like i want to live or they want to turn the buy the gun one hundre

the church is going to endure this kind of coverage until this is fully, openly dealt with and expunged. >> how many times as public editor did you get a call from the executive editor or the managing editor and they were really ticked? >> sometimes. it would depend. i heard from arthur once when he did not like a particular column. he was very simple. civil. i heard from bill and jill on a few occasions. they would be on happy -- unhappy. sometimes, i said in my farewell column, i really felt ultimately and broadly supported by them in the sense that even when they were not happy, they kept civil, on the subject, not personal, and in the end, we would agree to look for another day and come back. >> how many ombudsmen are there at papers around the country? >> a declining number. i cannot tell you how many there are now. newspapers, as they shed staff and downsize, have been losing ombudsman. "the new york times" still retains them. there are others and run the country. sadly, the first newspaper ombudsmen was that "the liberal courier-journal" in kentucky and that position has been eli