the pathway and get off the pathway with the emphasis of a workplace, whether it's internship, externship a full-time position. robert: yeah, hands-on experience as much as possible, huh? lena: yes. robert: yeah, have you seen quite a response, especially i notice the vietnamese-american community are very underserved first of all, right? so, they must've been very anxious to see these kind of programs pop up. minh: sure, i think we play a very important role in san jose because san jose have the largest vietnamese population outside of vietnam and also in the us. so, 35% of our student population are asian pacific islander student population. and majority of that, 35%, are vietnamese-american student. so, our san jose city not only serving student coming from high school, but we're serving the vietnamese community, the immigrant community. the adult population, it's open access, so as long as they're 18 years old, they can come and join san jose city college. robert: how do you structure the program so that vietnamese americans and people who have not used to the system, how do they get