secondly, we working to get our students out into law offices in externships, and we place our studentsl kinds of legal settings. >> so walter there are a number of schools that are trying to innovate, thinking about changing the business model, is this the way forward? >> well, it could be. one of the problems that law schools face is when they do something innovative, very often they don't get good results either from applicants or the law firms who is hiring their graduates determines how popular they will be as a law school. and good schools have experimented with a third year that is more oriented towards experience, and a couple of years later they aren't getting better interview ers the way they hoped, and they go back to doing it the old way. there are things we can do, one is to blow up accreditation. because they tie their hands. a tenured faculty, an expensive library, clinical study, whether your students want it or not, and on down through the whole list. that's what makes you a $50,000, instead of a $20,000 law school. >> how do you break out of that? >> i think we have to

externships, we place law students in all kinds of legal settings. >> changing the business model, is this the way forward? >> well, it could be. one of of the problems law schools face is when they do something innovative, very often they don't get good results either from applicants or from the law firms whose hiring of their graduates determines how popular it will be. you can quote chapter and verse. they aren't getting better law firms to do better than they had hoped and they go back to doing it the old way. there are things we can do to encourage innovation. one of them is to blow offer accreditation. the current accreditation -- blow off accreditation. the current are accreditation, you have to have a tenured faculty. you have to have an expensive library, you have to have a program whether your students want it or not, that's what makes you a $50,000 instead of a $20,000 law school. >> jillian how do you feel about that? >> i think we have to blow up the model, people that are talking about are fairly marginal. they see the world the way it is in the last century and that is

looking to get our student out to law offices, baltimore, maryland and the entire region, those are externshipsplace our students in all kind of legal settings. >> so walter, there are a number of schools innovating, changing business models is this the way forward? >> it could be one of the problems they face is when they are innovative they don't get good results of applicants or firms hiring. determineses how popular they will be as a law school. you can site chapter and verse, good schools have experimented with a school more oriented with experience, they rant getting better applicants or law firms to interview. and they go back to doing it the old way. now, there are lots of things that we can do to encourage innovation, one is to blow up a creaccreditation. the curb rules force their hand. and force them in to the old mode. you have to have expensive library, clinical study, whether your students want it or not. >> they see the legal word as i word in the last century and that's fundamentally changing, we should not be thinking about law schooling as a j.d. production only machine. the m