so, for example, exxom mobil is for the policy we're excited about, which is a neutral border adjustable carbon tax. it seems maybe out of character, but if you think it threw it makes sense like a company to be for something like that >>> why don't they push their political allies to try to start getting everybody else on board? >> well, good question. i think what it means is that there are other priorities that they have in their concern that if they start advancing the proposition that we're talking about, a republican en dot org, this tax, it is a way of getting the whole world in on this, that it would endanger some other things that are legislated priorities for them, but when it becomes topical and by talking about it here you're helping it to become topical, we expect them to move that up their list of priorities >>> kelly, help me understand the quiet activity. why aren't companies making a virtue out of this if it's something they've internally decided already to do? >> i actually work with the companies that speak up. so from my perspective they are louder than they have ever