guest: well, art hopkins whom i never worked for directly but he was the ceo -- chairman and ceo of exxon corp. and the world market producer of lead acid batteries. he was the ceo of the company and i uncovered the biggest possible can of worms. he was in violation of many state and federal laws and found guilty of racketeering. i mean there was not only a lack of integrity but there was also a colossal ego, this man should never have been in a position of responsibility of any large organization. but again he possessed some of the traits that good leaders have, which was the enormous degree of self-confidence, at the command presence. he looked like a leader conqueror he sounded like a leader, that he lead used the vocabulary of leadership and people were persuaded by him. they did follow him and they were fooled by him. you are dealing with somebody who possesses a skill set that did not possess the moral or ethical requirements to be a leader. he eventually dragged the company down. when i took over it was impossible for me to do business with certain companies. i couldn't entertain walmar