f.m. hubbel estuary. i happened to be talking to him, and it seemed to me the perfect statement, right? it was the 19th, 20th century businessman tipping his hat to the 20th, 31st century -- 21st century man. bill knapp he's had a huge impact on des moines in several ways. first of all, bill knapp -- probably better than anyone, better than anyone i've heard of -- can envision a piece of land and imagine what its future can be. with that he also seems to have this amazing sense obviously where development is moving, which direction the city is moving. so over the last 40 years, bill has been buying land on the periphery of the city, and as development moves that way, he develops that land or sells it and makes a lot of money. he's been very significant on the periphery of the city in doing that since the 1960s. he became very interested in downtown des moines in 1977 when he bought the hotel savory which was a dilapidated hotel down here in downtown des moines. he spent millions remodeling and refurbishing it, and that tied him into the downtown des moines community with a group of busi