their support at the expense of the f.t. and there's a great deal of speculation about chancellor merkel's future right now some say that her failure to cobble together a workable coalition this time around shows that she's used up all her political capital do you think her days are numbered well if you if you will answer that question honestly her days are numbered even if she gets reelected she was re-elected now but it's clear that it will be her last term as chancellor but it's not something that's happening you know immediately she is going to stand again as candidate for her party that her party is likely to come out of new directions as the strongest party so it's very likely that she will stay on this johnston so in the immediate future i think she will stay in charge and she's obviously status of that she once that party has that party wants her to say as top candidate as leader of the party so it's not something that's happening immediately. a future for the short term is assured and spawn from our political desk t

but the f.t. hasn't yet formed a coherent set of positions. it's important to confront them over concrete issues. there are main political competitor at least in my electoral district. there are a political threat to us. we need to show what makes us better than them through substantive debate rather than issuing sweeping condemnation. is one of seven hundred nine m.p.'s in germany's going to start. he's the second youngest member of parliament and that helps make him a media favorite. he uses that to champion a minority government. at the end of the day we have to accept that the authors of our basic law our constitution did not rule out a minority back to chancellor. it's like the bundestag has convened a plenary session to prepare for the coming weeks to spined lacking a government so what happens next. well i'm glad merkel stay at the helm will the social democrats join a coalition after all. philip i'm sure has mixed feelings about merkel. their electoral districts are right next to each other at the baltic sea in northeastern germany. me

voters would go to the f.t. but if that were the case either way or the other way around if i was ok so. to be wanting in the stop a skeptic party in government. i know it's right and it is an initially so i think and i think that many macaw and many others in france are very relieved that we don't have a government that contains the f.t.p. so. although they have to be certainly does so it doesn't see itself as years ago i mean they they and this is one of the things that listeners pointed out he felt that he was being personally smirched by the greens during the talks because they suggested that he was years getting certainly the history of the party is not that of a euro skeptic party given you know its support for the euro and other things over judy was running out of time and i would just like to talk about i'm going to yeah but not i don't. i'm going to make a list is a fantastic politician but she's had two major bills now one is the election result of september and now the collapse the coalition talks and

and the f.t. have refused to form a coalition with party. well the f.t.p. is really for a change in the course the f.t.p. is maintaining its senses i think it's too could have the power to bring the video back to its senses so it's unfortunate that the f.t.p. was singled out as the culprit in this i think they have a very very sensible direction so we don't know if there's going to be new elections but if they are going to be new elections i'm pretty certain be the f.t.p. and probably also the i have to be the opposition party that came into parliament with thirty point six percent of the vote will gain because this. is why the silent significant part of the population that wants a change in the immigration policy so i would be surprised if we had fresh elections but apparently stated we are going to have them here i mean if we look at the this first round of negotiations to form this coalition which obviously have failed why a new opinion did the three democratic party walk out. well they didn't walk out i mean the city you walked out on its formal law and

but these parties that are involved span the political spectrum there is merkel's conservatives the f.t. p. and then the greens how can we expect that parties with such deferring ideas and agendas can find consensus. well ever you're right i mean this is probably. the coalition in post-war german history with the greatest range of divergent viewpoints however of the v. the location that that they've chosen for the final day of their exploratory talks is very symbolic it's the offices of the state of britain in berlin is is is governed by a coalition of the greens and the conservatives i think that symbolic i think what they're saying is that although we're going to have to make a lot of hard compromises it is possible it is it is indeed possible for us to agree on some of the issues that we otherwise stand on different sides of you mention making compromises on issues what are some of the major issues. well what we're hearing is that the big sticking point is still what to do about the refugees the most conservative party in the talks that the varian conservative party c c s u they want

that's pretty close to rock solid and i think larry's always f.t. and how many refugee something to stories every single day rock solid rock so much time till i was just a. german a villain while the other the of the country without tectonic so messy what you say . nine. i don't believe i don't know what our viewers are going to forget but what i hear about i'm going to have a minute. to seven point two percent about this is the final word of the show this evening well today thanks very much for joining us have you given you plenty of food for which i hope we have join us next week come back to quandary go by but chose. is the south pacific island nation of doomed. the sea is encroaching ever farther on to the land. what can people do when their home turf crumbles beneath their feet. nobody here is thinking of giving up. kitty balti a drowning paradise in the south pacific. in fifteen minutes on d. w. . expand about the moments that right before. it's all about the stories inside. it's all about george chance to discover the world from different per

increase the protest and that would increase support for the f.t. there are those could also be the possibly be possible the market liberal free democrats have been moving towards the right into the spectrum that the f.t. has also covered so they i think might actually be quite happy about new directions and hope to increase their. their support at the expense of the fifty and there's a great deal of speculation about chancellor merkel's future right now some say that her failure to cobble together a workable coalition this time around shows that she's used up all her political capital do you think her days are numbered well if you if you will answer that question honestly her days are numbered even if she gets reelected she was re-elected knob but it's clear that it will be her last term as chancellor but it's not something that's happening you know immediately she is going to stand again as candidate for her party the party is likely to come out of new elections as the strongest party so it's very likely that she will stay on this johnston so in t

but these parties that are involved span the political spectrum there is merkel's conservatives the f.t. p. and then the greens how can we expect that parties with such deferring ideas and agendas can find consensus. well ever you're right i mean this is probably. the coalition in post-war german history with the greatest range of divergent viewpoints however the v. the location that that they've chosen for the final day of their exploratory talks is very symbolic it's the offices of the state of god in berlin is is is governed by a coalition of the greens and the conservatives i think that symbolic i think what they're saying is that although we're going to have to make a lot of hard compromises it is possible it is it is indeed possible for us to agree on some of the issues that we otherwise stand on different sides of you mention making compromises on issues what are some of the major issues well what we're hearing is that the big sticking point is still what to do about the refugees the most conservative party in the talks the varian conservative party c c s u they want to see an an

choice no one wants to call fresh elections the only party that's going to benefit from that is the f.t. the far right populist none of the mainstream parties want it so i think they'll get a deal done. ok so they'll have to get a deal done but there are major sticking points major sticking point right i mean the most major of the major sticking points is the issue of refugees the conservatives want to cap the numbers that can enter the country in any one year at two hundred thousand the greens don't like that the conservatives also don't want to let's all family members for all refugees have the right to come to the country that's a red line in the sand for the greens the greens say we have to allow that so that's going to be the issue today that i think they're going to work the hardest on trying to find some sort of compromise for and they expect at six pm they'll come and say either we've got a deal or we've agreed to keep talking ok so either a deal or keep talking the same situation we are and probably yesterday will watch and see exactly and chase thank you for walking us through

you're very young and very career driven that fits well to the f.t. image of a party for high earners one that it was actually trying to shed what makes you so different from the liberal party members that were voted out of parliament in twenty thirteen as. well i know that you can think that looking at my resume but ambition and career orientation aren't necessarily negative. i've always made a point of trying out different things and long before completing school when i was sixteen seventeen i spent a year in south america as an exchange student in ecuador. i lived with her family there went to a local school and spent a lot of time learning spanish and meeting people in the attic completely different perspective on life. i think that taught me to be a bit more relaxed about the whole question of being just career oriented or not it was an exciting time just like my time in france was so i can't really accept that criticism because i have always been aware of life outside of germany and even europe. and i think. there's combination of i'm interested

up pretty early on i began to ask myself why the liberal party why the f.t. . when you trace it back of course it because of what the liberals wrested from the states bit by bit in the nineteenth century. freedom of opinion freedom of the press. taking that sentiment and transferring it to today's world the question arises how much video surveillance how much telecommunications surveillance is acceptable in an age when we spend so much time online. that is an important point to make when it comes to informational self-determination because if you feel like you're being watched twenty four seven you will change your behavior without even noticing it and that's not what self-determination is supposed to mean that's why yes in the west case informational self-determination must also be asserted in the face of state opposition take major corporations think of tax evasion or social networks they've created a public space that has practically replaced real public life then autonomy must also be defended against the private sector that's great but it's difficult to do

turning then to agriculture conservatives and the f.t. against the greens call for ending industrial farming the greens want to freeze within twenty years and a greater emphasis put on organic farming and finally defense on the greens are alone in opposing greater military spending the conservative and the liberal f.t.p. want to increase a boon despairs budget in line with nato targets that we are drawing up political correspondent simon junk was following those talks for us simons as we can hear on for critical issues the differences are huge could they in fact affect the forming of a new government. well indeed they could and rita and all the parties here at these exploratory talks are saying that this is going to be very difficult to put this coalition together but they're also all saying at the moment that they believe that it can be done and as you say these are not just details a lot of these issues where there are divisions questions of sort of political philosophy things about how to deal with climate change or you know the questi

that's pretty close to rock solid and i think larry's always f.t. and how many refugees something to stories every single day rock solid rock so much time till i was just a. german a veil while the other the of the country without tectonic so messy what you say. nine. i don't believe i don't know what our viewers are going to forget but what i hear about i'm going to have a minute or so before seven point two percent about this is the final word of the show this evening or today thanks very much for joining us of you giving you plenty of food for which i hope we have join us next week come back to hundred by the show's. inseparable. and his violin. together they push the boundaries of classical music. take a listen. and find out how it all began. in thirty minute d.w. . stories that people the world over information they provide the paintings they want to express d.w. on facebook and twitter up to date and in touch follow us. crime fighters the new season of radio crime thrillers begins. in. motion domestic violence cyber crime and human trafficking

voters would go to the f.t. but if that were the case the year ahead of iran is ok so i think really want to go in the stop a skeptic party in government. i know it's right and it is an irish to me so i think you'll think that many macaw and many others in france are very relieved that we don't have a government that contains the f.t.p. so. although they have to be certainly doesn't it doesn't see itself as years ago i mean they they and this is one of the things that lenders point out he felt that he was being personally smirched by the greens during the talks because they suggested that he was years getting certainly the history of the party is not that of a euro skeptic party given you know its support for the euro and other things over judy was running out of time and i would just like to talk about i'm going to call down but not out. i'm going to mecca liz is there is a fantastic politician but she's had two major bills now one is the election result of september and now the clubs the coalition talks and we

we discussed the issue with you bronson a member of the f.t. he says merkel's time at the hound is over with her migration policy having proved core values. abolishing subscription to nuclear power. abandoning the traditional schooling system she does all she can to stay in power it's not her lack of ability the it's not that she cannot compromise she has no principles the fault lies with the other parties who cannot agree on common grounds it is no surprise the idea of open borders no borders no nation everything free to everybody for everyone and without any cost it's ridiculous well that was the last nail in the coffin people were absolutely against that you're looking at another one million one point five million people to come to this country the next year people are strongly opposed to that she got the worst result she had ever since she was in power and her party also suffered heavy heavy blows this is because she did not listen to what people really wanted to do or what are to be done now she's paying the price. the lebanese army is pre

we discussed the issue with hugh bronson and member of the f.t. he says matter of time at the helm is over with her migration policy having proved the last nail in the coffin this is definitely the beginning of the end merkel knows that this is the last time she will be chancellor and in the next period in the next four years there will be a point when she resigns and a new person would take over she has no policies at all she is a woman without principles she betrayed so many conservative core values. abolishing subscription making putting the end to nuclear power abandoning the traditional schooling system she does all she can to stay in power it's not her lack of ability the it's not that she cannot compromise she has no principles the fault lies with the other parties who cannot agree on common grounds and it is no surprise the idea of open borders no borders no nation everything free to everybody for everyone and that without any cost is ridiculous well that was the last nail in the coffin people were absolutely against that you're looking at

there's one party that can actually win out of all of this is the beginning in part because of the f.t. we're seeing this fragmented parliament the a.v. took away votes from all major parties on september twenty fourth on those votes that's a percentage that other parties are not willing to to work with so obviously this shows how fragmented this whole situation is and how difficult it is for for under democrat and for the conservative bloc in particular because they ultimately have the responsibility to try and form the government you know we've been saying. in the last twenty four hours the chancellor merkel has never been so wounded as she is now today a commentator wrote that black sunday when the coalition talks collapsed may go down in history as the beginning of the end of the eternal degree some people indeed have been talking about that i don't think that's the only common thing that and direction but there are also other opinions there are those who say that it's precisely in the most difficult moments precisely when people are describing merkel like that that she comes out a

willing to pay the price for this grand coalition and form off giving kind of a life insurance to the f.t. i mean mr broad so that's quite a strong indictment that you're making there about what we're seeing here so you're saying that the politicians would rather let the far right become stronger than to go maybe another month another two months without a new government. indeed indeed see there are two different in the profession why the a if d. has risen to the strongest party in the parliament the one is the theory of a chain of of a representation gap which i have been referring to that days the great coalition left open space at the right side of the political spectrum the competing theory is there's a christian democrats have taken too far right positions during the last four years which gave laws have been a teacher of the positions of the a if the the if were only if the christian democratic union and hold a course in the center of the party the spectrum this would fights down they have unfortunately most of the gemma political class of the second in the protection which i think to

and the greens do you think now this is come out publicly that the f.t. pay would reconsider their position no i don't think so i don't think the f.t.p. that is a liberal will not reconsider going back to the negotiation table which they left on sunday seems to me very unlikely. ok so. there are a few rumors that this might be the end of merkel people obviously speculating there's been a lot of people saying this is the end of the road for her that if the snap elections went ahead that she would have not have the numbers and have even less of a majority what are your thoughts about this because people are making permits your predictions almost aren't there yet but you're right this is what one is talking about but i think mrs merkel definitely hasn't given up yet she said at the end of the negotiations with the greens and the liberals she said that the electorate has given me a mandate as the strongest party in bundestag and promised that i would be available for another four years period and this is my obligation and i am living up to it so she will make

if the f.t. if. we get the next of the. evangelos venizelos i keep political figure at the time of the crisis he replaces george. at the finance ministry and also becomes deputy prime minister in order to shore up revenue he introduces a new tax every property receiving electricity whether a house or barn empty or under construction will be taxed the tax is included in the electricity bill if you do not pay the power is cut off it amounts to extortion then she. then. going to ferret. even the dobson wire whenever i hear. the. bad nana and i missed all the fun. yet bears was not on those as they might that have been abominable but the list still. must be an interesting. just. did. me. going to forty one. yeah and the come see this and metal after. all metal. yeah. but i mean you. see this. was. under threat of bankruptcy and expulsion from the euro creditors couldn't force anything even a new government. in the winter of twenty eleven prime minister george papandreou all was forced to resign and antone some of us the leader

to spread the world around the country the other thing i'd like to mention terry is the rise of the f.t. the the the far right party that's been doing particularly well in eastern germany none of the parties potentially in this new coalition want to see that support rise so they'd like to do something for those those poor regions and rural regions to give people more opportunities ok let's get back to these talks between the prospective coalition partners simon bridging the rural urban gap is just one of the issues they're trying to find common ground on at this point what do you think are the biggest sticking points to be resolved before a coalition agreement can be signed. well the two big sticking points have already been flagged there climate change and migration and there's a real problem there on climate change you know you've got the greens quite naturally saying you know the government must be serious about meeting its emission reduction targets and that could include the end it does include the end of coal fired electricity generation you've got the free democrats those saying

the f.t. n.y. the state police. i was on the scene yesterday the performance was phenomenal and the coordination and the effort was top shelf and it gives one reassurance to know that there is this level of professionalism and expertise protecting the people of this city and this state. it's also too important to remember that while the leadership of the police the partment is top shelf. officer nash five years on the job twenty eight years old he was a hero and the n.y.p.d. is not just the leadership it's the men and women who are out there every day. who are on the first line and i think officer nash really showed how important they are and how talented and how brave so we all applaud and congratulate him i spoke to the homeland security secretary yesterday who pledges full coordination with all the federal efforts and the f.b.i. i think it's important that we are all working as one and in this kind of situation there is no alternative this is not a time to have politics this is not a time to point fingers this is

probably would gain again and if they if the other parties are not successful in forming a government the f.t. the so-called eternity for germany will say we've always been telling you the old party is no longer capable to govern our country the way it's needed so i think all these three parties which are now discussing what's going to happen we do. use that what ever they can the most efforts to form a government i don't think it will even come back that we would come back to new elections in twenty eighty if you nobody of the possible government government parties is interested in some fascinating scenarios here in german politics a fascinating reading from your study from in for testing a map as we mentioned and as you also mentioned very much here in europe and in the world's people looking to see what does happen here in germany politics why harsh like that we thank you very much for joining us right in early here i think it's been a pleasure thank you. first and before we wrap up the show let's take a look at the monthly survey of voter intentions if an election was to happen next on it

exactly the right message to send to what they consider a political hate speech but supporters of the f.t. in the quite a few in the little village where where hooka lives have said this is this is believable they can't they can't accept this sort of thing happening they also think it's illegal because in addition to building this structure the group also spied on they showed released footage of them filming him of listening in on him they argue that he's breaking the law because holocaust denial is illegal in germany and they think he should be under government surveillance and they say if the government isn't going to put him under surveillance we'll put him under surveillance this cause huge problems the police have already been notified they're investigating both this and of surveillance and also an accusation of theft because hookah has accused this this group of stealing a paper waste paper basket from him and so he's going to take them may be taken to court for that anyway it seems like the action in some ways of that has backfired instead of making the example of this politician t

looking forward to elections which we just heard and so what was the main reason you think for the f.t. be pulling out they weren't just getting enough of what they wanted you think it is grandstanding is really hard to tell at this moment it was always going to be difficult for all parties and especially the smaller parties the greens and the f.t.p. but it's really. hard to tell the greens and the city you are saying that there was a very concrete compromise on the table and there were also a lot of issues on tax on digitalisation that were basically given to the f.t.p. as a compromise that they could have gone and run with basically and presented that to their voters there's a bit of a suspicion that the f.d.p. is basically kind of didn't want to be in government in the first place they they haven't been in government in the parliament for the last four years so it is a more comfortable position for them to be in opposition for the next few years and kind of regain their strength so that there's a suspicion that they'd never really wanted to be in government and need never really ser

the f.t. were talking $120 billion.nds on how you calculate in a comforted over many, many years. they could be spread out for decades they've come to some sort of agreement around the process, or the methodology to get there, but we are already starting to see some blowback at home. we've got polls that show the u.k. are only willing to accept a far lower fi gure it's not going to be easy for theresa may to sell this to the public. francine: does this mean more rebellion? david: it is possible, but she has also got the northern irish question to go. that's harder because our government only exists with the agreement of the northern irish thep. party and that is question that is still unresolved. that's a bigger threat to mrs. may and her party at the moment. tom: i guess you're calling it a divorce. if that's the case, what is the united kingdom getting? europe is getting a lot of money. what does the u.k. get? david: we don't have those details at the moment. we know the u.k. is committing to the money it isigned up f

even if i am today i'm talking to constantine cola head of the german f.t. .