certainly we're aware that the nac's recommendations to faa and faa's plan in october. and as you may remember this committee tasked my office in the inspector general to review faa's plans for moving next-gen forward personally in the near term. so faa's commitment to the recommendations has been vitally important and we're greatly encouraged by those. as the committee knows from reading the report and faa's recommendations, those entailed a greater commitment to performance, based navigation, which our office has endorsed for a long time now. commitment to service operations so when aircraft get on the ground, they can move around the airport surface in an efficient and effective manner, and datacom coming up in years to , come, in 2019 specifically. so those are three of the main recommendations from nac which faa endorsed. and attempts to move out on. we would put, if anything, an asterisk for the committee's consideration next to performance-based navigation. this has been a priority for the airline industry for a long time. it's one that will allow them to move th

the faa's mandate is too expensive. the faa has set a standard of january 1 for aircraft is equipped nor to fly in keeping airspace near large cities and airports. standards were designed for commercial airliners and the resulting equipment is just too costly. more than 81,000 of the 180,000 certified aircraft on the registry are worth less than $40,000. those aircraft, about $25,000. that puts 6000 minimum cost to install equipment beyond the reach of many owners. without changes we'll see these airplanes parked in fields reduced to limited flying. we believe technological advances, noncertified equipment could lower the cost in compliance with mandates. we look for declared with the faa and it is to make low-cost solutions available to all segments. in conclusion we believe the future general aviation depends on both, transformation reforms to the certification and regulatory process is at faa and dot. what an ugly the faa has a problem to go back this committee and coax a funded the faa generously increasing the budg

certainly we're aware that the nac's recommendations to faa and faa's plan in october. and as you may remember this committee tasked my office in the inspector general to review faa's plans for moving next-gen forward personally in the near term. so faa's commitment to the recommendations has been vitally important and we're greatly encouraged by those. as the committee knows from reading the report and faa's recommendations, those entailed a greater commitment to performance, based navigation, which our office has endorsed for a long time now. commitment to service operations so when aircraft get on the ground, they can move around the airport surface in an efficient and effective manner, and data come, coming up in years to come, in 2019 specifically. so those are three of the main recommendations from nac which faa endorsed. we would put, if anything, an asterisk for the committee's consideration next to performance-based navigation. this has been a priority for the airline industry for a long time. it's one that will allow them to move their aircraft in an efficient

we do need to give the faa, or encourage or structure the faa, to be able to use private enterprise business vegetables when they are putting in an infrastructure program like this. to have them doing what they are doing with one arm tied behind their back -- >> i understand that and i prescient that -- >> that saves money and reduces the funding gap -- >> i need more of a nation. i love the generic terms that business can do everything better than anyone else, and they really fit on a bumper sticker, and they are in clinical commercials, but i'm not sure what you mean by that. i agree with the governor's testimony. at&t improve their business model. it cost them a fortune to do it. it costs a lot of money to go from an old tape system to a new 4g system. somebody had to pay for it. in at&t's case, it was some shareholders but mostly expanding their business footprint and charging me more. that is fine, that is america and that is how it works. how are we going to expand our footprint with more people flying, and how we are we going to -- how are we going to keep them flying? even private bu

we do need to give the faa or encourage the fa restructure the faa to be able to use private enterprise business principles when they're putting in an infrastructure program like this. to have them doing what they're doing with one arm tied behind their back -- >> i understand that and i appreciate that, captain -- >> but that saves money and that reduces the funding gap. >> i need more explanation. i love those generic terms, this is can do better than anything else. they fit on the bumper sticker and the bumper sticker and the good of political commercials but i'm not sure what you mean by that. i read governor english system and i agree. at&t is his example. rightfully improved their business model. it cost them a fortune to do it. it cost a lot of money to go from a little tape system to a new 4g system. somebody has to pay for it. napt's case it was some shareholders but mostly expanding their business footprint. how are we going to expand our footprint with more people flying and how are we going to charge the more? if we don't do that, even private businesses have to make money.

under the faa, the ntsb is leading the accident investigation with the faa support. the faa is responsible for investigation, and as i mentioned, this is the second serious accident in the last week. debra hirschman is the former chairman of the ntsb. what a new industry, debra, thank you for being with us. we put a man on the moon in 1969 but this is not the type of thing when you were at the ntsb that you would typically deal with. obviously you had protocols in place. what is supposed to happen when a spaceship crashes? >> the good news is, there are a lot of people who have thought long and hard about what should be done, and many tickets have been sold on these planes. there are agreements, nasa, faa and ntsb have worked closely to understand, if there is a mishap, who is responsible, who is in charge. >> break that down for me, who is liecialg responsible in this case? -- likely responsible in this case? >> the ntsb is going to lead the investigation, their go-team is headed out there and they will conduct this very much like a commercial aircraft investigation

one written by the faa specifically for the dreamliner. >> it's the faa's job to regulate air safety. but when it comes to building airplanes, the faa delegates oversight almost completely to the aircraft manufacturers. when it comes to the battery and beyond boeing largely polices itself. the batteries passed boeing's tests. in line with the faa rules boeing said the 787 batteries would virtually never catch fire on board an aircraft. then they failed twice in just nine days. boeing has not uncovered the root cause of the failures. it found a work around: a strong steel case more insulation, and an exhaust for noxious fumes. >> ...any fire will be impossible because there's not enough oxygen to support combustion. >> but several leading scientists have their doubts. >> i don't think it's a sufficient fix. even inside that steel box with all of its fortifications, all of the elements are still there for fire. >> despite not knowing the root cause, america's safety regulator the faa, was satisfied. and in april 2013, the dreamliner was back. but this story goes far beyond a burning bat

shortly after that he retired from the faa. two weeks later bahrami was hired as vice-president of the aerospace industries association, which lobbies on behalf of boeing. one of the first things he did was to appear before congress to call for greater self-regulation for companies like boeing. >> we urge the faa to allow greater use of delegation, not only to take full advantage of industry expertise, but to increase the collaboration that improves aviation safety." >> mr. bahrami declined our interview request. >> one day you're regulating the airline and the next day you're working for it. you can't possibly be tough on the industry that you're regulating because you'll never get that plum job after you leave. the regulators at the faa will rarely cross boeing. they simply won't. >> it's the washington influence game -and boeing is a master. last year, the company had over 100 registered lobbyists 78 of them were former government workers. three were former members of congress. boeing chief executive jim mcnerney is chairman

canada permitted 1700 approvals to the faa's seven. shows the risk-based small uas rules that actually -- we need to unlock when i think could be rapid job creation, and the faa partners with foreign agencies in countless ways. has the faa reviewed other country's actions on small uas and leveraged those best practices in preparing the small uas rules. >> my office has donwork on faa's efforts to safely integrate uass into our air space. i don't know whether we have looked at faa's review of other nations' proceed ears and practices. i'd be happy to get back to you on that. >> would you please. my district is rural and we need to make sure we have some idea of what type of possible commercial expansion in uas technology we can utilize. when you look 15900 commercial approvals in canada versus seven here, there might be something to leadership in what they have seen and integrate into their air space. thank you for your responses, and i yield back. >> thank you, gentlemen, and my apologies for overlooking him. i'll never do that again.

now, the faa says a u.s. nearly collided with a drone in the skies over tallahassee, florida, back in march. so clearly, this is becoming a big problem. cnn's rachel crane joins me now. one of the most disturbing aspects about this is you can't figure out whose drone it is. >> right. that's the problem. i spoke with officials at the faa earlier this morning, and they were talking butt how this is really the big question here. how do you identify who the operators of these drones are when they don't have to be registered to the owner themselves, so visually when you look at the drone, there's no way to identify who's actually operating it. now, in the case of the two drones that nearly hit the nypd helicopter in september, they were actually able to track those drones, follow the drones back to the operators and that's how those two people were caught. but unfortunately, yes, it's incredibly difficult to find the operators of these drones. >> so did the faa tell you they're going to do something about this? tr

and the faa reauthorization format of 2012 f -- mandate the faa to come up with rules.not meet that deadline. google, companies like and gowing, and amazon pro and a whole host of other companies, will have to go overseas or have to go to six test sites in the u.s. and they have to transplant their entire teams to the test sites. an arcane process. they should be able to test at a private property near their headquarters and they should be able to see what works and does not work so they can promote safety and efficiencies in different sections of the economy. right now, we are actually saying to the industry, go overseas, because we are not allowing any pathway for operation in the u.s.. >> how likely is it the rules will actually come to fruition? life they will be introduced. we expect them anytime now. there will be comments and reply comments. the reality long-term is that the rule will not be in place for another 16 months. i think congress and the white house will act before the rules take effect, because the u.s. have those been a leader in technology and techno

the faa is expected to unveil its new drone rules and regulations by year's end.ike we go. first of all, what incidents are we talking about with passenger planes? >> well, brooke, you may have heard that there have been three of these near-misses recently, just in new york, of course, where air traffic is the heaviest. but in that new report that you mentioned, the faa disclosed yesterday that there have been 25 near-misses nationwide, in just the last six months. now, there's been a lot of media pressure on the faa to produce that list in the last few months, because these incidents have been increasing as drone prices drop and they've become more popular. but it's still pretty new territory. that's why this has collision course between industry and safety standards. and a real concern for industry experts here, is that if the faa doesn't hurry up and set these regulations to prevent more serious hazards, they could end up ruining drones for everyone by keeping them out of consumers' hands for commercial use. the faa is scheduled to issue those guidelines over a

but the faa has defined it as black or white.e either a hobbyist, recreational user or you are not. >> reporter: the new commercial regulations expected in weeks will almost certainly launch a new debate about government power, private rights and public safety. tom foreman, cnn, washington. >> joining me now to talk more about this, richard quest. how dangerous, richard, is all of this air traffic? >> if you believe the faa, it's extremely dangerous. the list of 25 near misses with drones was just published and when you read some of the accounts, for example, at new york where a delta air lines 737, a virgin atlantic, 747, delta reports that the drone came within 12 feet of his left wing. a jetblue plane in new york says the drone flew under the nose of the aircraft. 1500 feet beneath them. the airline says it's a real problem. it's an accident waiting to happen. the drone enthusiast says not so. the drones cannot do that much damage anyway and it's being put out of proportion. but the industry is firm and the aviation industry s

the faa may soon introduce new rules for commercial drones.could it mean for companies like google, amazon, facebook? that's next. ♪ future ofhe commercial drones be in jeopardy? the federal aviation administration is expected to announce new rules on commercial drones use by the end of the year. the new rules would mandate operators to have pilot licenses . they would have to fly below 400 feet and a daytime hours only. the faa has yet to respond to bloomberg for a request for comments on the expected rules. what could it mean for tech companies that are currently developing drones? the executive director of the small unmanned aerial vehicle coalition joins me. first off, what is your reaction to these rules -- good or bad? >> it's great to be here with you. i think the reaction is that they are not optimal, largely because we are falling behind other countries -- canada, the and we areion, seeing australia making incredible advances, india. i think the technology and companies in the u.s. are doing incredible work, but the faa has been a lit

congress in the faa reauthorization reform act of 2012 mandated the faa to come up with rules by septembere will not meet that deadline. we are going to be at 2016, which means companies like google x and amazon prime air and go pro and a host of other companies are going to have to go overseas, or they will have to go to six test sites in the u.s., which means they have to transplant their entire team to the test site, which is an arcane process. the reality is they should be able to test on private property near their headquarters and see what works and what does not so they can promote safety, efficiency in different sectors of the economy. right now, we are saying to the industry, "go overseas because we are not allowing any pathway for operation in the u.s." >> how likely is it that these rules will come to fruition? >> will be introduced, and we expect them any time. there will be a notice of proposed rulemaking. then there will be comments and reply commons, and the reality is that long-term, the rule will not be in place for another 16 months. i think congress and the white house a

we want an faa that is at arm's length. if the faa is keeping the industry's interest above passengers safety, then we're going to be seeing very weak and ineffective safety regulations and that's got to be a concern for anybody flying. >> joining us now is craig holman, with a consumer advocacy organization. craig it mentions a key figure in the documentary, ali bahrami. in that role he signed off on the dreamliner batteries, he later signed them back into the air, after the airline was grounded. and he retired and was vice president of the aerospace organization. and has being lobbied in the legislature for more aerospace tri freedom. >> it may be common but doesn't make it any less alarming. this is a typical case of one of the most pernicious and effective forms of influence peddling on capitol hill. what we've seen is boeing and the faa develop a very close relationship, that does put a risk on passenger travel on boeing air crafts. the revolving door works two different ways. first of all you have the corporation or t

>> well, after the faa grounded the aircraft because of two battery fires that happened in january 2013. had never grounded a fleet an entire fleet of new aircraft, 787 in this case. will wanted to know what was going on, was something wrong with this plane? he began digging into it and finding there was a much bigger story beyond just the batteries. >> how did you get to that point? at first blush, they looked and said the batteries caught on fire, the plane is back up in the air, all's good. >> right. >> what were some of the most interesting things you found that kept you on the trail for a year with this story? >> well, about the third day into the project for myself, i joined about six months after will began doing his investigation. i met will in seattle, washington and we met with a group of employees of boeing corporation who make that aircraft. my introduction to the story. i asked them at one point would you fly on the aircraft? this is months after the airplane have been put back in the air because the battery problem is supposedly fixed. about half them said they would not.

they are all under faa jurisdiction because they fly.egistered with the faa in case the drone is lost or harms someone. even pure amateurs not affiliated with anybody could find themselves in trouble or in need of a license. with so many drones out there. federal requirements may be ignored and fall to the wayside like cb radio licenses failed in the 1980s. >> if you have rules that proit will what a lot of people will be going and they will be doing it any way and you have to means to enforce it, it is still a question. >> reporter: this is far from settled. tom vacar, ktvu channel 2 news. >>> we are learning more information about the man killed in oakland hills last night. police have identified the man as 60-year-old david ruenzel. he was a prominent oakland writer and teach nor antioch. he has done writing for the bill and melinda gates foundation. he was an avid hiker. shot and killed in the huckleberry preserve. witnesses reported hearing three gunshots at 3:45 yesterday afternoon. on the trail, investigators found shell casings a

but the faa says they are trying to catch up. the agency hopes to propose those new rules by the end of the year. amy? >> clayton, thank you so much. >>> and from that danger in the air to one right under foot. a family's home threatened by a river, eating away at what's left of their backyard. now their by're banking on the generosity of others, hoping time is on their side. abc's nick watt has their story. >> reporter: this dream home in washington state, a beautiful view, a turkey run, well, it's becoming a nightmare. >> the whole house shakes and rumbles. it's just horrifying. >> reporter: because the shaw's yard is sliding into the pilchuck river. the house, now just 54 feet from that 200 foot drop down to the torrent below. >> it's e roe shus. there is no coverage for erosion. >> reporter: similar story for the webb family in texas. left with little choice but to burn down their lakeside retirement home this past summer. it was a teetering safety hazard. the shaws want to move their place 400 feet away from the river. >> pi

but that gray space is going away. >> you may not agree with the faa but the faa has defined it as blackist recreational user or you're not. >> reporter: amateurs will still likely be able to fly their uavs within existing rules but the new commercial regulations expected in weeks will almost certainly launch a new debate about government power, private rights, and public safety. tom foreman cnn, washington. >>> and the faa administrator will be on "state of the union" tomorrow morning to talk more about that. >>> "cnn newsroom" continues at the top of the hour. >>> next on cnn dr. sanjay gupta takes his family on a trip halfway around the world to uncover his roots. >>> all right. i've never done this before. there you go. ♪ the people back home will be so jealous. >> yeah. >> you're probably wondering what's happening right now. well, so was i. truth is, none of this was supposed to happen. the beach, the camel ride, the trip to karachi with my mother. returning to a country that she had fled 70 years ago as a refugee. did you ever think you'd be doing this? >> i was not planning on th

, but the faa has defined it's black and white.reational user or you're not. >>reporter: the new commercial regulations expected in weeks will almost certainly launch a new debate about government power, private rights and public safety. tom forman, cnn washington >> police are looking for a suspect in a bizarre shooting involving a gunman wearing a werewolf mask. the gunman walked into a check cashing business. without saying a word he shot ail 58-year-old construction worker who was renovating the building. witness told people the gunman immediately ran off. victim was treated and released. police have not found the shooter. >>> businesses saw a bloom in black friday gun sales. shoppers stood in line to pack heat. the fbi says nearly three times as many people will buy guns on black friday or did in a typical day. according to the fbi on average someone trues to buy a gun every three seconds on black friday. >> black friday sales do pickup a little bit. they want to find a good deal. >> but not everyone will get the gun they want

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but that gray space is going away. >> you may not agree with the faa, but the faa has defined it as black. you're either a hobbyist, recreational user or you're not. >> reporter: amateurs will still likely be able to fly their uavs within existing rules, but the new commercial regulations expected in weeks will almost certainly launch a new debate about government power, private rights, and public safety. tom foreman, cnn, washington. rome? sure! before xarelto®, mary took warfarin, which required monthly trips to get her blood tested. but that's history. back to the museum? not this time! now that her doctor switched her to once-a-day xarelto®, mary can leave those monthly trips behind. domestic flight? not today! like warfarin, xarelto® is proven effective to reduce afib-related stroke risk. but xarelto® is the first and only once-a-day prescription blood thinner for patients with afib not caused by a heart valve problem that doesn't require regular blood monitoring. so mary is free of that monitoring routine. for patients currently well managed on warfarin, there is limited information

michael huerta, the administrator of the faa joins us now. thanks for joining us.oday is expected to be the busiest travel day of the year. i think about 2.61 million people forecast to fly home today. you said this week 15% to 18% increase in flights compared to a typical saturday. weather looks good, so what's the most important thing here today to keep things moving? >> well, 46,000 flights today, a little over that, and fortunately we have great weather today, a little bit of rain in the san francisco bay area, which is very much needed there. but it should be a good day for flying. >> and going forward, i know you have this next gen system. >> sure. >> that is supposed to reduce air traffic, save fuel costs, all kinds of things, don't have to talk to air traffic control enough, but it's been criticized widely by democrats, by republicans, that it's late, that the 2020 start date is fiction, that it's moving at a snail's pace. why is that and what are you hopeful will happen? >> next gen is now as you heard in david's setup piece. we just turned on some advance

louis police chief said it was the faa that contacted police first.nd that his department was concerned about safety. and never requested that only the media be kept away. >> there were a lot of shots being fired in the corridors. some of them were being fired at the ground. some of those likely went in the air. some of them were aimed fire. >> round browns's shooting prom weeks of protests. >>> meeting with president obama at the white house to update him on the ebola virus. meanwhile, kaci hickox, the nurse, who was briefly quarantined. reached a settlement with maine. she showed no symptoms and a judge ruled in her favor. the settlement allows her to travel freely in public, but she has to monitor her health. >>> president obama signed a disaster declaration for the lava flow threatening homes on the hawaii's big island. lava flow from the kilauea volcano is moving slowly towards one small town. it's about 100 yards from one house and threatens about 50 others. the disaster declaration allows for federal emergency help with repairs and rebuilding o

the faa is not expected to meet that deadline. jim tillman. jim, i'm scared. they've got me scared. i fly in out of jfk a lot. i know birds can bring down an aircraft. can a drone bring down an aircraft? >> you bet it can. >> how would you like to have that machine getting sucked into an engine? >> and that's how it happened. the birds get sucked into the engine and that's what brought down the plane that sully landed on the hudson river, the birds. >> that's correct. this kind of event into commercial aviation skies has me scared, too. >> and so what would you -- when you hear reports like this, three drone reports out of jfk recently, a couple of them within minutes of each other, you have options in new york city. there's three airports here. there's three ways of fly out of here. as of now, i just don't want to go up to jfk. >> it doesn't make any difference. i think the boundaries of one airport over another are going to govern the activity of people on the ground who are irresponsible. >> let's face it. drones are here to st

and the faa, days after mikele brown was killed in ferguson missouri.ore than 47,000 square miles of airspace was restricted for 12 days during the unrest. in another recording, an faa official can be heard asking a colleague whether flight restrictions were truly related to safety. >> are they protecting aircraft from small arms fire or something? or do they think they're going to keep the press out of there which they can't do? >> i believe -- i believe they are protecting aircraft from small arms fire. i apologize i wasn't here when it went into effect to win with. >> reporter: and whether the police used the government's no-fly zone as a tool to violate the first amendment rights of journalists. the st. louis county police insists that the restrictions were put in place to protect the public, not to keep media out. >> the faa started this because of the number of shots that were fired. this was reported. we have air crews to talk about seeing mobile flashes from the aground. >> reporter: on a press conference on monday the chief was asked about a re

louis county police chief said it was the faa that contacted police first.nd that his department was concerned about safety. and never requested that only the media be kept away. >> there were a lot of shots being fired in the corridors. some of those were fired at the ground. some of those likely went in the air. some of them were aimed fire. >> browns's shooting prompted weeks of demonstrations. the police officer who shot brown may face criminal charges. >>> national security and health advisers meet with president obama at the white house today to update him on their response to the ebola crisis. meanwhile, kaci hickox, the nurse who was briefly quarantined reached a settlement with maine. hickox defied awe quarantine when she returned home. she showed no symptoms and a judge ruled in her favor. the settlement allows her to travel freely in public, but she has to monitor her health. >>> president obama signed a disaster declaration for the lava flow threatening homes on hawaii weighs big island. lava flowing from the kilauea volcano is moving slowly towa

the faa will issue new rules by year's end. >>> encourages news about ebola.al institutes of health says the trials are showing promising results. all of the volunteers produced anti-bodies to fight the virus with no serious side effects. the nih will expand the trial. >>> will slippery conditions in the northeast continue through the shopping weekend? jennifer gray is here with an early start on our forecast. good morning, jennifer. >> good morning, john. we are going to clear out in the northeast quickly. we are going to see snow, though, over the next couple of days around the great lakes. all that rain has pushed offshore. we will see warmer air in its place. that will mean some big changes not only for the south, but that will make its way to the east coast and northeast as well. your black friday forecast, though, the national look with snowshowers around the great lakes. that cold air stays in place for another day in the northeast. we will have another chilly day for you. rain in the west and sunshine across the rockies. current temperatures are cold a

faa needs to give more leniency.e need amazon to be able do this delivery and these different things. i don't think commercial is where the worry should be. i think amateurs are the worry. >> and that footeniage makes me little worried. don't you think there could be an industry that pops up where some pilots could be in huge demand on an hourly or contracted basis. why not? >> yes but. the play here is international markets. places like india where the street systems are not laid out as well for truck delivery. where there are not addresses in the same ways. you will see pilots of these drone programs happening there. and then the u.s. is going to have to adjust. >> there is so much innovation, and so much economic growth to be had. i think dji which makes the phantom drone, we'll be talking about that company like we talked about gopro. and if we can't allow the industry to blossom, then the faa is doing a disservice. the faa doesn't distinguish between 55 pounds and lower. a lot of these drones are only a few poun

but the faa has defined it as black and white.ou're he's a hobbyist, recreational user, or you're not. >> reporter: amateurs will likely be able to fly their existing uavs with rules but the new investigation in weeks will almost certainly launch a new die bait about government power, private rights and public safety. tom foreman, cnn, washington. >> all right, thank you, tom. as he mentioned the faa is in the process of formulating new rules governing commercial drone flights. let's bring in cnn aviation spirit mary schiavo on the phone with us also the director of the department of transportation. mary, good to have you. this gray space that is becoming more black and white. will this black and white include more training required for drone pilots? >> yes, victor, and good morning to you, christi. it will and also include limits and requirements, and probably even categories of vehicles for the uavs. they'll have different weight classifications. and different ways of controlling them. right now, there are many ways to control u

what is the faa doing about it? >> they're studying it.in 2012, congress passed a law that said we need to set up regulations for these drones, how high they can fly, who can fly them, what they need to know before they can fly them because they're remote controlled. as far as the faa is concerned, the federal aviation administrati administration, they will have regulations put out for public comment by the end of this year, but in the meantime, as you can see, you see sort of an increased awareness and increased if not alarm, at least concern from pilots both commercial and private about the number that are up there and the close calls that are happening and i keep thinking do you remember what caused sully sullenberger to have to land that plane on the hudson was geese. >> yes. >> so you know, a drone about this big, you know? >> yes. >> some of them, and the biggest fear obviously is taking off and coming down, because that's, you know, landing and taking off, because drones can, you know, are flying at that height. >> yes, exactly. ver

so we're not seeing as many delays at the current second here from our faa data. can see back here towards newark, new jersey, they are still piled up with that air traffic trying to get things clear. 128 minutes behind. nothing at the current moment in boston, new york. there have been several cancellations and delays. more delays tonight. check this out, it went down in newark. live data. down to 45 minutes. that's what we like to see the night before thanksgiving. sky camera network, temperatures are on the colder side. some upper 50s and also low 60s. and we have a few high clouds passing by and also haze, a spare the air day in effect even as we head throughout tomorrow. so overall, got a bad night if you're doing any road traveling. you have dry conditions this evening. there's so much traffic out here on these roadways. the biggest thing you'll notice is we'll have clouds continuing to filter in. it's not going to bey day. i think partly cloudy skies and temperatures on the mild side. san jose 73. 76 in morgan hill. very mild for this time of the year. and

the faa ground delay is part of the faa's traffic management program to control the inflow of planes. inbound planes are held at th r theiring their o origin spots. people picking up or dropping off should call first and check their flight status. you can see here, this is the tsa security checkpoint at terminal e. very few people here. this is probably a good time to come and officials say if you do come, and you have to wait, don't park on the surrounding roadways. use the parking area because of the weather. if you are pulled over to the side, it could cause an accident. police are ticketing. live at the airport this morning, jesse gary, nbc 10 news. >> thank you. if you are flying out today or picking somebody up, call ahead. here is the number to keep in your cell phone to check the status of a flight. cally philly international's number, 1-800-phl-gate. philadelphia's streets department has a plan ready. workers will seuss 70 vehicles to spread salt and crews will make sure the parade route is clear for thanksgiving morning. >> we first told you about this storm late last week.

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the faa fined him $10,000 but he fought it in court and won.ding the case back to an administrative law judge for further review. the uncertainty surrounding the regulations is having a ripple effect. >> we had a drone come within 50 feet of us. >> law enforcement officers can make arrests but prosecuting cases where drones fly in restricted airspace has been difficult. businesses large and small are also waiting for guidelines that would allow the use of unmanned aircraft to deliver packages and food. by some use when drone use really takes off, it will create industry that can support more than 70,000 jobs with an economic impact totaling more than $13 billion. but michael tuscano, the president and ceo of the association of unmanned vehicle systems international says that won't happen until the faa's rules and regulations are in place. >> it's important to have regulatory structure in place to allow for the utilization of this technology. people say well the technology has outpaced the regulatory. that's true with any revolutionary type tech

you may not agree with the faa but the faa has defined it as black and white u r e the hobby as recreational you're not. >> reporter: amateurs will likely still be able to fly their u a these's got within existing rules of the new commercial regulations expected in we will almost certainly launch a new debate about government power private rights and public safety. >> pam: coming up next endospore scores of what our workers walk out the drop in the middle a black friday. and a south bay fast-food worker who found a bad load was $100,000 cash speaks out about his big bad load was $100,000 cash speaks out about his big farm woah, this kitchen looks beautiful. it's bigger! it's great, right? give him the tour. let me show you! quartz countertop, soft-close drawers, farm sink, under cabinet lighting, look at this spice rack. um... where's my room? right there where it's always been! we had to take just a little bit for the kitchen. just slide right in! ranked highest in customer satisfaction. ikea kitchens. and you're eligible for san medicare, area anthem blue cross can help you get a great pla

liz: helen, if you had the ear of faa regulators, what's the one thing you would ask requester?d say hobbyist and recreational drone use are flying all over the country, let the commercial industry fly under similar rules and open it up over the years to more advanced applications like drone delivery, but do it now, don't do it two years from now as the proposed rules are expected. that's how long they're expected to take. liz: well, it could mean jobs. as long as it's safe, hopefully we'll see some proceeding. it's great to see you both. i know you'll be back. we don't know the actual rules yet, but possibly these are what they would look like. executive director and with the law firm, and helen graner or, sci-fi works' ceo. thank you so much for joining us. >>> 15 minutes before the closing bell rings. waiting on ferguson. a grand jury has made a decision in the shooting death of black teen michael brown by a white police officer. we are expected to hear what that is at around 6 p.m. eastern. fox business will carry it the moment it comes out. >>> plus, will a massive storm sy

>> our interview with faa administrate yoir mike huerta, the man in charge of making sure you get there and safely. >>> then, post ferguson, black and blue, the mistrust between minority communities and the cops, police chiefs from around the country join us for a candid conversation. >>> plus -- >> thanks to chuck, our military is on a firmer footing and looking ahead to the future. >> who he's gonna call? picking the next secretary of defense to right his foreign policy legacy. our roundtable on how the president's twilight years can stack up against history. this is "state of the union. "good morning from washington. i'm candy crowley. the faa released records this week detailing 25 incidents where small drones came within feet of crashing into a commercial airliner. considering a flock of geese is enough to bring down a jet in new york city into the hudson, this new report details a very real and concerning threat to air travel. with me now michael huerta, head of the federal aviation administration. i know you're working on regulations for those unmanned drones, but can you describ

the remotely area controlled area, the faa working up new rules to cover up commercial uav operation,nd could set up the stage for tough regulations. he's an attorney who specializes midair issues. >> if we have a commission, a lot of people will live their lives. >> there's new world in which they drop off medicine and purchases from retailers. >> but federal approval for any commercial use has been extremely rare. a man used a uav to shoot commercial video in 2011. the faa fined him $10,000 and the ntts adjust confirmed the agency's right do that up until now, it's more like a model. it's not really like an airplane, but that gray space is going away. the faa has defined black and while. >> amateurs will be able to to fly with existing rules, set to almost set a dwight about power, public safety. washington. >>> a boy reported four years ago in georgia, have been found alive. five people were arrested including his own father and step mother. the boy went to visit. the 13-year-old boy managed to then download an app and text her florida. she called police who went to the father's ho

. >> reporter: that was an faa official describing the no fly zones between the faa and the law enforcement days after michael brown was killed in ferguson, missouri. more than 37 square miles was restricted in august for 12 days during the unrest. in another recording, an faa official is heard asking if the flight restrictions were truly related to safety. >> are they protecting aircraft from small arms fire or something or they think they will keep the press out of there which they didn't do. >> i believe they are protecting the aircraft from small arms fire. i wasn't here when it went into effect. >> reporter: the associated press says it raises serious questions if the police used the no-fly zone to violate the first amendment rights of journalists. st. louis county police chief john belmar insists the restrictions were put in place to keep the public and pilots safe. not to keep media out. >> the faa started this conservation with the police department because of the number of shots that were fired. this is reported. we have air crews seeing muzzle flashes. >> reporter: on monday, chie