fabrice pothier?st, this is a war in europe, and the last two world wars started in europe, so i think we have cause for concern. second, indeed, on the paper, there are more nato soldiers than russian soldiers, but russia also has some weapons that can cause devastating effects and, clearly, president putin is not shy from talking about those weapons, so i think it falls on us to send a very clear, strong signal that there is no talk of nuclear weapons and nuclear war because nato is also a nuclear alliance and that the use of nuclear weapons will have a devastating consequence for all parties. and the fact that nato has not pushed back explicitly in this manner is, i think, setting a dangerous precedent. deputy foreign minister, is the russian federation up to fighting nato, or could it resort to extremely dangerous methods — nuclear weapons? that's precisely the symmetry. that, of course, nato, as an alliance, is stronger than russia. russia is nothing but, to quote, "the upper volta "with nuclear

fabrice pothier?s a war in europe, and the last two world wars started in europe, so i think we have cause for concern. second, indeed, on paper, there are more nato soldiers than russian soldiers but russia also has some weapons that can cause devastating effects. and clearly, president putin is not shy from talking about those weapons, so i think it falls on us to send a very clear, strong signal that there is no talk of nuclear weapons and nuclear war because nato is also a nuclear alliance and that the use of nuclear weapons will have a devastating consequence for all parties. and the fact that nato has not pushed back explicitly in this manner is, i think, setting a dangerous precedent. deputy foreign minister, is the russian federation up to fighting nato, or could it resort to extremely dangerous methods — nuclear weapons? that's precisely the symmetry. that, of course, nato as an alliance is stronger than russia. russia is nothing but, to quote, "the upper volta "with nuclear weapons." to look

but, i mean, fabrice pothier says, "if civilian casualties "continue to mount, there will be pressurevoided by being much more engaged now." so, do you think there should be greater engagement to put pressure on president putin? perhaps patrol the baltic sea and try and cut him off that way? there's got to be something more that's got to be done. well, but, you know, this adviser coming out of nato service, he is not very precise what he is calling for. we are patrolling the baltic sea, we are air patrolling over the baltic states. norway is bordering russia. we are nato�*s ears and eyes in the north. we have our planes out flying to control and monitor peace and lower tension in our areas, so we are taking that responsibility. but, you know, i really think if we think concretely about it, engaging nato inside ukraine, unleashing war between nato and russia, that is not responsible, that's not going to help ukraine, and i believe it will be irresponsible to move in that direction, and i think that is a pretty common view by european and allied leaders. all right, you say that norway i