the decision of facebook. that's one of the criticisms that facebook putting these decisions to another forum. we're into the here to lift facebook's responsibility. we're here to find out if they're following their own rules and doing that in a transparent and clear, clear way. so, i don't think it would be suitable for me to give my own personal opinion. i'm happy with this decision, but what happens this and sanctions, that facebook could get to mr. trump, that surely must be up to facebook itself. how much contact there between the board and facebook, the company? >> not much. we asked them questions and they answered most of those questions. they've given us a solid explanation for their decision and just as a small thing, it's interesting that facebook through the few cases we've gone through have become much clearer and the reason why, and i have to see that as an early result of the board's work that they're becoming much more considered, much more systemic and in the way they've done this. and they an

here to tinvent new rules for facebook or take responsibility from facebook to actually follow their own standards reedit so that is why i wouldn't call this ping-pong. but it is true we have, that we don't want to take a position on an arbitrary section. we're on facebook to look at this decision, look at all our advisors on facebook and hope they will adopt this advice and with that, they should look at this case again. there's no way there's an automatic pass for mister trump to come back to facebook t. there has to be an assessment on whether content often in the future poses any harm. facebook now have the option to really look at it and find out what actions will they give to trump and use their own sanctions system so that applies to everyone else, why is this use more special than anyone else. what we are going for his all users have the right to free speech, they also must abide by facebook community standards and have the right for penalties that facebook has in place not new ones that facebook invents. >> .. >> what we didn't want is to lessen responsibility of facebook be

amazing to me such as facebook facebook twitter you tube google these companies actually are creating the market opportunity for competitors 4 or 5 years ago there was no space left for somebody to really compete and if you did have the space to compete you just got bought up and acquired that's what happened instagram it's what happened to whatsapp the difference now is that companies like facebook because they keep doing things where they abuse user data and then they say loops and they pay a fine or they change something like what's app which is extremely popular that they didn't go in the 1st place they simply buy it and acquire it and then they start changing the game for it they're actually creating the market opportunity for companies like. ben's on thank you for your time and insight on this on. thank you . that's all for now you can catch him best buy them on demand by downloading the portable t.v. out for your apple or android device will see you here next time and as always don't forget to question more. so what males have tended to do and still do is is we tend to we certa

amazing to me such as facebook facebook twitter you tube google these companies actually are creating the market opportunity for competitors 4 or 5 years ago there was no space left for somebody to really compete and if you did have the space to compete you just got bought up and acquired that's what happened to instagram it's what happened to whatsapp the difference now is that companies like facebook because they keep doing things where they abuse user data and then they say loops they pay a fine or they change something like what's app which is extremely popular that they didn't build in the 1st place they simply buy it and acquire it and then they start changing the game for it they're actually creating the market opportunity for companies like that. ben song thank you for your time and insight on this one thank you. that's all for now you can catch bin bass bite and on demand by downloading the portable t.v. app for your apple or android device see you here next time and as always don't forget to question more. i i. i. attention medicare recipients the energy in one portable oxyg

well you know what the facebook oversight board did essentially today is put the ball back into facebook's court they said that facebook the company was right to suspend his account back in january but they said it wasn't the right thing to do that indefinitely and now they told facebook the company to reassess that judgment within the next 6 months and then you know make a final decision on you know whether to suspend account indefinitely or not. sort of go. and you know i'm actually just coming out of a press call with some of the. 4 members and you know what they gave as their reason there's to say like essentially it's not our job it's facebook's job to make that decision. michael mcconnell which is one of the co-chairs of the board he said we're not cops ranging over the realm of social media so they said essentially facebook has to make up its own mind and not kind of outsource that decision to the board which brings us to our next question who is this board work who are they what are they supposed to do so that board is a board it's a group an expert group of 20 members they all tec

so it is up to facebook. facebook doesn't have to do anything. but they might be tasked with sort of creating new policies for world leaders and the novel situations. you know. will they be trans apparently about their role in the capitol attack and enforcement going forward like the board has asked for? maybe. this inches us closer. at the same time, there's not a compelling reason. they are not bound by the suggestions and facebook has really consistently shown itself to be against transparency and be reactionary instead of proactively designing the platform to keep users safe. >> how selective it was ban on trump versus, say, brazil, dutiart, how has facebook handled misinformation from other world leaders? >> so they have acted to remove information. >> finish your thoughts and then i'll get to brandy. >> yes, they have removed pages from other world leaders. the board point out they need a stronger global policy and they need to take into account they need a team of global moderators that is informed on those subjects and not focus on the un

they criticize facebook for bringing forward a vague standardless penalty and facebook does not live up to the responsibility, and that is a harsh creditism and they say the board declines facebook's request and insists that facebook apply and justify a defined penalty. so putting some of that responsibility back on facebook. i am expecting to get a comment from facebook on this decision any moment now so it is going to be very interesting to see how facebook responds not only to the decision, to continue the ban on president trump, but also the criticism of how they handle this and push some of those questions over to the board rather than resolving them themselves >> julia, we'll be checking in with you all morning if you're just joining us, facebook has decided the, the oversight board has decided to uphold the president's suspension from the platform jim, implications for engagement, metrics, the stock >> well, look, i think that the stock itself is just been a juggernaut the numbers are so great consumer product companies really like facebook and i think david, they will like it

because what has happened is facebook oversight board has made it clear that facebook itself has the to ban anybody regardless of their status, if their content poses a risk of harm under international human rights laws. that means donald trump and other world leaders should be treated no differently than any other facebook users. world leaders should have no special status. we will have to's -- have to wait tsee if other leaders with populist or more extremist agendas will be held to the same standards. campaign against digital hate speech say they should. katty: which countries in the world might be looking at this ruling from the oversight board particularly nervously? >> that is a difficult thing to say. you have mentioned bolsonaro in brazil. there is also the philippines as well which has a populist leader. whether they are going toe looking over their shoulders with whatever platforms they use to get their messages across, it is going to be trouble emetic for both them and -- problematic for both them and the media companies. katty: do you think facebook is somehow now setting

of facebook. let's hear first from president trump, former president trump recently on with sean hannity about the ban and what he calls cancel culture. >> you were canceled off twitter, can you imagine? canceled off twitter. canceled off social media platforms. now, you put out your presidential statements they go viral. people -- you know who misses you the most? the liberal media, the mob. they hardly ever see joe. there is nothing to cover there except covering when he falls down climbing the stairs. but, what about -- what is the answer? is the answer antitrust? is the answer ending section 230? is the answer donald trump starts his own twitter, facebook, instagram? is that something you are considering? guest: i think all of that. i am getting a big word -- >> every time i do a release it's all over the place. it's better than twitter. much more elegant than twitter. twitter is very boring. a lot of people are leaving twitter. twitter is becoming very boring. when i started with twitter year

facebook known as the facebook supreme court upheld the band that was placed on trump earlier this year but it was not a black and white decision the board said the ban was justified but it also said making the ban indefinite was not it told facebook to come back in 6 months with a more thoughtful decision in other words mr zuckerberg this is your job not ours in politics this is passing the buck and facebook this is whatever mr zuckerberg wants it to be i'm bored golf in berlin this is the day. our. you know tempting we're giving dates but 6 months to conduct this review i believe it's going to be a catastrophic mistake for them if there are real disagreements about where the limits obama and speech should be either restore mr crump the cannot harm the. trumping that on the platform and. make this harder for the family account for that period of time they causes a lot of problems that a lot of days here big mistake they shouldn't be doing it. also coming up when the next outbreak is about to break out there will be a number anyone in the world can call a burleson number today i'm on to

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of facebook.et's hear first from president trump, former president trump recently on with sean hannity about the ban and what he calls cancel culture. >> you were canceled off twitter, can you imagine? canceled off twitter. canceled off social media platforms. now, you put out your presidential statements they go viral. people -- you know who misses you the most? the liberal media, the mob. they hardly ever see joe. there is nothing to cover there except covering when he falls down climbing the stairs. but, what about -- what is the answer? is the answer antitrust? is the answer ending section 230? is the answer donald trump starts his own twitter, facebook, instagram? is that something you are considering? guest: i think all of that. i am getting a big word -- >> every time i do a release it's all over the place. it's better than twitter. much more elegant than twitter. twitter is very boring. a lot of people are leaving twitter. twitter is becoming very boring. when i started with twitter years

he's a customer, facebook is not a government. he is not a citizen of facebook. we are bringing free expression law globally into this operation. facebook exercises too much power, they are arbitrary, they are inconsistent and it is the job of the oversight board to try to bring some discipline to that process, so what we have done is to identify ways in which facebook has been nontransparent. they have been arbitrary and trying to nudge them toward free speech, friendly environment. >> i want to push back on the free speech argument. i understand the legal argument, you say you think facebook is exercising too much authority. listen to what republican senator josh holley had to say about all of this. >> these platforms like facebook and google, they sensor our speech, they shut out new market entrant, shut out competitors. why? they have gotten to be monopolys. take them on and break them off. >> the argument is that facebook and twitter and other platforms have become so big that they can in effect silence people in the digital age and the argument is president

and we also seen how much the algorithms that facebook uses to recommend content to you, especially facebook groups, have led to people becoming more radicalized in europe, passing on data within a company. and the massive individual data is prohibited according to the general data protection regulation. but facebook plan had also provoked criticism in the u . s. and many other countries whose has the response. facebook clarified that it was only going to collect information from chaps concerning communication with company. but this would allow facebook to receive data on the consumer behavior of users, for instance, the static and then be used to make more money with personalized advertising. ready and there is a further motive behind the cooperation with. ready calculated because the more that a company like facebook can argue that they cannot possibly disentangle. all of these other companies that they've acquired from the core of facebook. the more leverage i believe they feel like they have and trying to fight anti trust concerns that are currently being raised here in what step you don

facebook says we do.ow its own oversight board is saying you don't and you have six months to write some to me that's significant >> i agree, jon. i don't think this is a punt, carl, which is that was the term you used i think it wasn't a punt because they're saying we agree the decision you made in the moment to take trump's ability to post off the platform to prevent him from posting was the right decision, but you failed to do what you were supposed do, facebook the oversight board was saying it's not our job to make the rules. it's our job to enforce the rules and it's facebook's jobs to make makes the rules. they want facebook to be making rules and enforcing them consistently some really interesting messages in here, including the fact that they don't think that politicians should be treated differently. they think the decision of how to treat people posting should be based on how many people are following them, sort of what the reach of those people are. but also that above all else, the risk of ha

also on facebook is the facebook messenger with around 1300000000 users. with 1200000 users chinese messenger, and which is my 3rd and with 550000000 users, the most popular independent messenger app is telegram. let's go back to the market leader with one in 3 people over the age of 13. using was that it's truly a global setup. it's also a huge source of income for its parent company. facebook which collects private data to create profiles. these other used, for example, for personalized advertising. it's actually a common business model, but many say lots of new terms and conditions, go to font, data protection groups. and so what's new, what's left messages are encrypted. when you send a message, it only gets to kept it on the receiver's device. under the new terms and conditions, end to end encryption will be mean, meaning chat content will still be confidential. but when you use whatever, so called meta data is accumulated to companies use this data to extrapolate valuable information on how a person uses their device or find out their network of frie

did facebook answer all of the questions that the board had. as it was trying to reach a decision. no it did not we talk about that in the decision and it did answer most of them but there were other some decision some questions were not responded to there were questions that you didn't get answered i think one was if did facebook data on its users and that allow advertisers to my current target people in the run up to the insurrection i mean do we know did facebook make make money on the mob. i don't know we couldn't confront that in the context of this decision. let me ask you how you interpret that i mean he just said that the question that they posed to facebook was not pertinent to the decision that they were there they were making it although they had posed the question it made this this seem confusing at best when we were in the interview i mean how do you read it. i don't think that's quite what was going on actually i think maybe your inaccurate you know me to be ok but never taking that i think one of the the issues that they were loo

facebook known as the facebook supreme court upheld the ban that was placed on trump earlier this year but it was not a black and white decision the board said the ban was justified but it also said making the ban indefinite was not it told facebook to come back in 6 months with a more thoughtful decision in other words mr zucker burge this is your job not ours in politics this is passing the buck and facebook this is whatever mr zuckerberg wants it to be i'm for golf in berlin this is the day. our. no tipping point we're giving 6 months to conduct this review i believe it's going to be a catastrophic mistake that there are real disagreements about where the limits obama and speech should be it must either restore mr crump's account harm because term. tromping that on the platform and. make the system hard enough for the family account part of that period of time they causes a lot of problems that a lot of days your big mistake they shouldn't be doing it. also coming up when the next outbreak is about to break out there will be a number anyone in the world can call a burleson number to

our attic ound these are real screen shot as facebook should know now as facebook spokesperson responded on twitter saying that the screenshots from early march when the attic count was briefly disabled for a few days due to a related pm an issue now from what we've seen so far it's difficult to see who was speaking the truth here. signal has been proc actively advertising its services as the pro privacy alternative to what's app facebook on the other hand has not always been the most transparent company and signal is funded by brian acton an entrepreneur who sold whatsapp to facebook for $22000000000.00 making himself a billionaire several times over in the process now act and left facebook and whatsapp and 2017 and later claimed that facebook was a laying the groundwork to sure targeted ads and facilitated commercial messaging and whatsapp and following that can bridge analytical scandal act and tweeted it's time hash tag go lead facebook for boom bust i'm sorry to have injure r.t. . joining me now to go further and up on this story is boom bust co-host and investigative journalist bon

they're giving facebook -- it seems it's going to be the head of facebook to make this decision.re is no question, though, the former president has sp cemented his standing. this comes at the four-month mark after the deadly insurrection at the capitol, a riot. many point to social media, the comments by the president inciting. we begin with brian stelter back with us. you've had a chance to read through all of it, to listen to facebook's response, which i'm sure was fascinating on the phone call, donie. explain it to our viewers. >> this is basically a nightmare situation for facebook. they set up the oversight board to basically make the difficult decisions for them. what has happened here now is that the board has said you were right to suspend trump at the time in the immediate aftermath of the insurrection, but we're not so sure you were right to suspend him forever, and has now given the company six months, so until november to figure out if trump should be suspended or not. what's going to happen next? it's all back on facebook. it's all back on zuckerberg. i'm sure we'll

facebook known as the facebook supreme court upheld the ban that was placed on trump earlier this year but it was not a black and white decision the board said the ban was justified but it also said making the ban indefinite was not it told facebook to come back in 6 months with a more thoughtful decision in other words mr zucker burge this is your job not ours in politics this is passing the buck and facebook this is whatever mr zuckerberg wants it to be i'm for golf in berlin this is the day. doesn't have the power. we're giving thanks but 6 months to conduct its review i believe it's going to be a catastrophic mistake that there are real disagreements about where the limits obama and speech should be either restore mr trump's account the harm that. being that on the platform and. make this respect. or suspend the account part of the period of time this causes a lot of problems that a lot of states here big mistake they should be doing it. also coming up when the next outbreak is about to break out there will be a number anyone in the world can call a burleson number today i'm on to

he's not a -- facebook is not a government and he is not a citizen of facebook.ut in a broader sense, what we are trying to do is bring some of the most important principles of the first amendment, a free expression law globally, into this operation. facebook has been -- exercises too much power. they are arbitrary. they are inconsistent. and it is a job of the oversight board to try to bring some discipline to that process. so what we have done is to identify ways in which facebook has been nontransparent, the ways in which they've been ash a trayly and -- arbitrary and trying to nudge them towards a more free speech, free expression, friendly environment. chris: i want to push back a bit on the free speech argument. i understand the legal argument. as you say, you think facebook is exercising too much authority. listen to what republican senator josh hawley had to say about all of this. >> these platforms like facebook, like google, they censor our speech. they shut out new market entrants. they shut out competitors. why? because they've gotten to be monopolies

trump's accounts. >> host: randy may, speaking of which, does facebook have, should facebook have to put everybody online? it's a private company and a private platform. >> guest: well, you know, that's of the $64,000 question, and probably $64 billion question at this point. will knows this as well, but i want to state it clearly for our audience. throughout my professional career, i have been a staunch defender of the first amendment rights, all types of media. i have done it whether it's broadcast or whatever, including these platforms. i recognize that they are private companies and, therefore, under our current jurisprudence they can do whatever -- they can do whatever they want to do without violating the first amendment, and that's the difference between a private company and the government. and i would just add quickly, as a backdrop to everything were talking about, peter, at as much of the concern i have as to how some of the platforms are responding and canceling, the remedy, my concern would be greater with the government doing certain thing. but here's the, i said under

facebook has been essential for mr trump. price. facebook has been essentialfor mr trump.ssentialfor mr trump. his campaign used it to raise money and micro target voters. he sent and micro target voters. he spent more _ and micro target voters. he: spent more than $200 and micro target voters. he spent more than $200 million in 2020 between his campaign and his bac on facebook advertising. it is notjust an opinion that it was early in essential part of his political power, it was one of the few places where he was putting his money where his mouth was. yesterday mr trump released his own communications platform. that it is really no replacement for being on twitter or facebook. at the click of a button mr trump could beam himself onto the computers and phones of tens of millions of americans to that button is now gone, perhaps for ever. israeli president has asked the leader of the centrist yesh atid party, yair lapid, to try to form a coalition government. it could mean an end to 12 consecutive years in power for benjamin netanyahu — who was unable to form a coalition of

of facebook, and there to scrutinise when facebook makes.ly fair penalty based on the rules as they exist. you six months, apply fair penalty based on the rules as they exist.— on the rules as they exist. you are makin: on the rules as they exist. you are making this _ on the rules as they exist. you are making this decision _ on the rules as they exist. you are making this decision of— on the rules as they exist. you are making this decision of our- on the rules as they exist. you are making this decision of our donald j making this decision of our donald trump, but while you were deliberating, were you also weighing the implications of your decision on other leaders around the world who might still be posting controversial statements?— might still be posting controversial statements? ~ , ~ ., statements? absolutely. and going back to my point. — statements? absolutely. and going back to my point, the _ statements? absolutely. and going back to my point, the rules - statements? absolutely. and going back to my point, the rules need i statem

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host: mark zuckerberg, the founder of facebook, he talked about the decisions by facebook to ban the president after january 6 at comments posted on that date. >> i cannot speak for everyone else, websites and other apps, i will tell you what we did it. before january 6, we work with law enforcement to identify and address threats. during and after the attacks, we provided extensive support in identifying insurrectionist and removed post supporting violence. we did not catch everything. we made our services and hospitable to those that might do harm. when we feared that he would inside fillet violence, we suspended the former president's account. -- insight -- incite violence, we suspended the former president's account. we created an independent oversight board that can overrule our decisions and we need democratically agreed rules for the internet. host: the headline of usa today, donald trump a char facebook, instagram been, will it stick? -- instagram band, will it stick? -- instagram ban, will it stick? california, good morning to rebecca. caller: thank you for taking my call. i

facebook is a different set of conditions, but when you look at it, facebook is saying we don't want this power. that's a big thing for a big tech company to say. if that doesn't saying we need regulation, i don't know what does they created a pseudo-court. i'm thinking that's what we need >> joanna stern from "wall street journal," thank you. >>> a headline i've been wait to go liver for a long time hear it -- the darkest days of the pandemic are likely behind us cases are expected to plummet in the coming months as more americans get vaccinated all of that is from the models released today by the cdc. right now the agency reports we're averaging about 350,000 new case as week, but optimistic projections show this -- weekly infections dropping to fewer than 50,000 by the end of july here's the cdc director and what she describes as encouraging trends. >> results remind us we have the path out of this and models once projecting really grim news now offer reasons to be quite hopeful for what the summer may bring. >> still, health experts are warning hospitalizations and deaths could o

the oversight board it was created by facebook founded staffed and funded by facebook but they clearly need to try to create some separation and i think they did that here they came up with a nuanced decision you may or may not agree with it but it certainly was a loss for former president trump in that he's not not on facebook right now and held this decision this silver lining if you will for former president trump is that they did come back i think quite accurately and say facebook you invented this concept called an indefinite ban but you never defined what indefinite was and you need to do better than that and that's what they gave facebook 6 months to try to resolve all right so the so to what extent of the oversight board barely passed the buck back to facebook to sort out the mess. well i don't think they did that actually they said and then they very clearly justified why the ban was granted and they up held the actual band where they quibbled and where they send it back to facebook was they said you can't just say it's indefinite either ban him permanently or tell him you'll

brought to life a year ago by facebook it's funded by facebook it's 20 technology experts from around the world it includes former politicians it includes journalists a lot of lawyers academics and it's funded by facebook but the idea for it is to be independent and to assess you know very prominent cases of content moderation. so the board sends a decision back to facebook says yes you can do it with a new rules but you have to put a time limit on it facebook then comes back and says ok i will put this time limit on is that then the end of it all does donald trump get to say no i still object well i don't think donald trump really has a say in that the question is going to be what is facebook going to decide in 6 months from now because that is sort of the recommendation that this board game. facebook the decision to uphold the ban is binding but. the recommendation to look into this again and reassess it in 6 months is nonbinding so we will have to see what facebook is going to do but facebook will have to make a decision but then the next 6 months what to do about donald trump's ac

content on facebook and instagram.book couldn't ban trump indefinitely. the company must reassess this penalty, it said, within six months of the decision. thejudgment does leave a way back for trump back on facebook, but for now, the door is firmly closed. and that is a huge problem for donald trump and his hopes of a political return. in a statement, the former president lashed out, saying: facebook has been essential to mr trump. his campaign used it to raise money and micro—target voerts. he spent more than $200 million in 2020 between his campaign and his pac on his facebook so it's notjust an opinion that facebook was an essential part of this political power. it was actually one of the few places where he was putting his money where his mouth was. mr trump yesterday released his own communications platform, but it's really no replacement for being on twitter or facebook. at the click of a button, mr trump could beam himself onto the computers and phones of tens of millions of americans. that button has now gone,

tonight, no facebook for donald trump, at least for now. a facebook court upheld the decision to ban the former u.s. president for inciting a riot at the u.s. capitol. also, india sees another rise in covid-19 debts as overcrowded hospitals turn sick people away. we will hear from some of the volunteers fighting to fill the gaps and to save lives. and while, germany's next shipment of medical aid takes off for india, this time both equipment and experts. and some of the world's most wealthy nations discuss how to distribute vaccines more fairly, also human rights and combating disinformation, at the first you -- g7 summit of foreign ministers in two years. ♪ brent: i'm brent goff, to our viewers on pbs in the united states and tall of you around the world, welcome. facebooks oversight board today upheld the social media giants decision to suspend donald trump's account. it said it was wrong to ban the former president indefinitely. facebook has previously argued that trump was banned for violating rules against praising violence. that's aft

for now but facebook has to clean up its policies and stop trying to pass the buck. the oversight board made up of 20 experts around the world and human rights, free speech, and so on posted their decision at 6:00 a.m. sharp. they had been looking at trump's post back in january that said these are the things and events that happen with a sacred landslide victory is strip away. shortly after the ceo banned trump indefinitely. the court upheld the ban but wrote, in applying a vague, standardless penalty and giving this case to the board to resolve facebook seeks to avoid responsibility. they declined and insist facebook justify it's penalty. >> they have up to six months to reconsider this matter and the period of time should indicate -- which expect this to be a deliberative process. it should be made one on the basis of all the considerations and evidence. >> tech a consultant is the former cto for the fasa and said it's a circus since the board is paid and put together by facebook. trump has 60 million followers and that kind of boto igne. to profitable then erythi

critics say the board is also paid by facebook, selected by facebook. donie, before i go to jackie kucinich who is also joining us, to be clear, do i have the math right here. it says reassess after six months from his original suspension which was january. we're four months since then. so in another two months, come july, they have to look at this again? >> that is correct. that is saying -- this is what the board is telling facebook. >> understood. okay. so that's a two-month punt. >> there's a certain amount of logic to the idea that let's take donald trump out of this conversation because, obviously, he makes everything complicated. if you are a high-profile facebook user and you are banned for something, isn't there some way to come back some day? right? it's almost like, again, not talking about donald trump. if you are a prisoner and you do your time and get out of prison and you're back to normal population, that's the kind of thing we're talking about here in this digital realm. facebook can put you in jail indefinitely and this oversight board

also coming up in january twitter banned donald trump permanently facebook kicked him out as well but for how long well we don't know and apparently facebook doesn't either twitter was very clear permanently you're permanently banned that's our ruling good night nice to see you you were been a terrible member of our community and you can't come back again and facebook wanted to have it both ways. to our viewers on p.b.s. in the united states and to all of you around the world welcome we begin the day with the staccato of shouts scream. and sirens heard today over jerusalem hundreds of palestinians were injured when protests turned violent there were clashes with israeli forces who say they were confronted by extremists at the mosque today's eruption came after weeks of growing resentment over plans to evict a group of palestinians in east jerusalem jewish settlers have laid claim to the land which they say belonged to jewish families prior to $948.00 palestinians call the plans a land grab with no compensation for the people being forced to leave israel captured used to resume back in

terms accounts. >> host: randy may, speaking of which, does facebook have, should facebook have to put everybody online that the private company and a private platform? >> guest: that's the $64000 question and probably 64 million-dollar question at this point. will knows this as well but i will stated clearly for our audience. throughout the time during my professional career i've been a staunch defender of the first amendment rights and all types of media and i've done it whether it is broadcast or whatever, including these and i recognize that they are a private company and therefore under our current jurisprudence they can do whatever, they can do whatever they want to do without violating the first amendment and that is the difference, you know, between a private company and the government. i would just ahead quickly as a backdrop to everything were talking about, peter, that is much of a concern i have as to how some of the platforms are responding and canceling, you know, my concern would be greater with the government doing this type of thing but here is the thing. i said under

page, and facebook removed it. to allow these posts to stand, that'll be interesting to see. stuart: yes. i'm just going -- may i offer a quick opinion? i think facebook is terrified of its advertisers. and its advertisers are, in turn, terrified of their own employees who will object vigorously if president trump is allowed back on facebook. this is a nasty situation, but that's the way i see it. how about you? >> yeah. well, it's all of this wokeness that has consumed so many in america. i mean, we saw that the mlb all-star game moved from atlanta to colorado based on woke politics. people often times do not fully appreciate the gravity of the situation or even what they're talking about. they just know they've got to cave and bow down to all of this, again, woke politics. and it's really sad. i think it's very damaging for the future of our country, i think it's a terrible example to set for our children. but i think you're right, i think at the end of the day it comes down to money, it comes down to advertisers

if a facebook bands mr. trump, would they have to go through and been every person, whether they are celebrity or not, that they believe help spread coded or election lies? >> does the separate -- set a preference down the line. part of this, facebook said there is different circumstances for newsworthy people and newer the statements which is very arbitrary and lets them off the hook a lot of times. i think it is important to see what they decide on this and if it has downstream consequences for folks in the future. >> to the fact that he may run again in 2024 be a factor? >> that is a great question. that is something we should ask facebook. what mark zuckerberg has always said he does not want to be the governor of truth. he thinks politicians should have voices on the platform as well. he is even more wary to censor them to keep them from speaking because of their position in the united states and running for office. it will probably have some bearing for sure. >> whatever they decide, will other platfor

also coming up in january twitter banned donald trump permanently facebook kicked him out as well but for how long well we don't know and apparently facebook doesn't either twitter was very clear permanently you're permanently banned that's our ruling good night nice to see you you were been a terrible member of our community and you can't come back again and facebook wanted to have it both ways. to our viewers on p.b.s. in the united states and to all of you around the world welcome we begin the day with the staccato of shouts scream. and sirens heard today over jerusalem hundreds of palestinians were injured when protests turned violent there were clashes with israeli forces who say they were confronted by extremists at the mosque today's eruption came after weeks of growing resentment over plans to evict a group of palestinians in east jerusalem jewish settlers have laid claim to the land which they say belong to jewish families prior to $948.00 palestinians call the plans a land grab with no compensation for the people being forced to leave israel captured used to resume back in 1

but on facebook, you can set up a facebook page or an instagram business profile. in minutes you how to do and it is free. that is what small businesses did. we focused on helping small businesses get online. we focused on giving training. we train 100 small businesses since 2020 alone. we have trained a million small business women through our business. we focused on giving support. we gave out $100 million in grants when coronavirus first hit, 40% was for the united states. it was the cities we call home, where our employees are that are part of our immunity. in detroit was certainly a big part of that. vickie: one thing that facebook did was create programs to assist with black small businesses. steve mentioned the black business minute. we highlight lack businesses three times a week. reason why i started that is because i heard statistics said 40% to 50% of black owned businesses will not survive the pandemic. so talk about the programs you created for those to help throw them a lifeline and why you wanted to do that. sheryl: you are exactly right. black-owned