things that they don't understand or don't have control of our technology and like wow way facebook google alibaba amazon comic cetera all of them have come under attack in recent years as policy makers attempt to curb their rise to power because that's basic kind of in this new age the most powerful people in the world are now beholden to companies like google who indiscriminately collect data on them or facebook deciding what's news and what's fake controlling the narrative of its audience of over 2000000000 active users so while this is an obvious type who are now between the u.s. and china with ali caught in the middle do you think that there could be a sort of reorganization in the global hierarchy as tech leaders rise to power and influence and the old guard kind of becomes irrelevant well i certainly think there geopolitical consequences around the world i do think issues between the u.s. and china we have to remember the role of europe we have to remember that europe sees itself as a major competitor in the global marketplace and europe wants to be taken seriously and some of the recent geopoliti

google. amazon is the last one. who will be the next member of the trillion dollar club? >> next member, alibaba, facebook.he lead for that and part of the reason they're subscription businesses and data driven businesses. those two things apply you to jump into different markets and different business models. whether advertising, services, uber type driving facilities, delivery, they're all going after the same spaces. stuart: facebook, i haven't checked, roughly 600, $700 billion. i haven't checked yet. they have a way to go before they hit a trillion. the stock is 250, 300? >> 300. stuart: 300 and they're a trillion dollar company. alibaba is way behind that. alibaba is right about now, wish i had my phone working here -- susan: 600 billion. stuart: so they have a long way to go. a year, maybe? >> could be a year. could be two. depends how china develops. what happens with the post coronavirus. here is the thing. no one else can catch up. we have a trillion dollar cap club and everyone else. that gap keeps growing wider and wider. we're in winner takes all markets. stuart: those two, facebook, alibaba.