cost the most money on the back end and involves destructive testing, which sometimes takes the facility offline. that's a difficult thing to figure out how to plan for, but one thing we talked about internally, is develop ago risk matr matrix, that says if the following risk factors are present at a site, but may not know the answer, but you should increase the construction budget by a certain amount. the good example, you know there is a stream at the site, but do you know where it is? 10%. also soil conditions and mission pool, we had a lot of problems as we pulled back panels only to discover what was there. so that's another tool that i think we need to refine over the next year and hopefully the life cycle analysis will help us do that. i'm also just given the swings we've seen on project budgets from 2008 to 2012, to have a swing bidding market of 10% on a $5 million project, that's somewhat solvable. but when you get to the larger than $30 million projects, which we have a number, you want to be further down the road in terms of the design and the ceqa process so when the ballot passes,

offline. with regard to the new facility in scenario one, which obviously is preferable in terms of timing, what is the status of the new facility discussion? >> so, we are continuing to work on negotiation and scoping. over the summer we worked with a consul stand to get performance criteria. meaning any any facility in we were to enter into an agreement needs to meet with our core transportation needs. part of the reason we did the second set of coast estimates in the sum -- cost estimates in the summer was to see if the city went it alone and we decided to go into negotiations with a developer, how far we could go. i think with that information in place, we are continuing to see what is out there in the markets. and hopefully we will have more news on that towards the end of this calendar year. >> chairman peskin: thank you. any questions from members? seeing none, is there any public comment on this informational item that is going to cost a lot of money over time? at least we are planning for the future. seeing none, public comment is closed. thank you for that. and we look forward to futur