not de facto amnesty. the president has declared in a lawless fashion amnesty for those who do not threaten him politically. that's large classes of people in an unconstitutional fashion, he has announced, he has announced that they are issuing work permits, creating a work permit/visa for people that are in the country illegally when the law requires that they come out and enforce the law rather than grant them work permits. so de facto am necessary the? no, it's real and literal amnesty and now it seems as though many people on my side of the aisle have leaped to this conclusion that this amnesty exists, call it real, literal, de facto amnesty, it exists and the only way to deal with that is go ahead and officially act and legalize so we can somehow resolve this issue. this is an issue that's been created by many, many years of failure to enforce immigration law, but the idea that we should -- congress should ratify an unconstitutional lawless act on the part of the president is beyond my comprehension as

we have more than a de facto amnesty. the dock elt is an executive directive, an order, if you will, that declare that's current provisions of u.s. law, specifically u.s. c1225 will not ebb forced and the officers ordered by u.s. law shall diso'bay the law. we have got more than a de facto am nest fip we van executive branch that is ignoring the congress has written. >> i would like to have mrs. rich respond to this. there a number of people including me that believe that the representation the border will be secure and we'll have an effective system has been adequately. those are those who say tb adequately addressed in the bill. you know specially, police mrs. lichter that executive branch should create a branch of effectively monitor visa overstays yet today. all the years later 40% of illegal immigration doesn't come across on the border. people come in legally and overstay. i want to ask you you can you understand those who have seen this movie before who said the promises and assurance it's the last time that ever w

so they'll leave on their own or basically ignore the problem which is happening now and is de facto amnesty. they will is have to come forward and pass a rigorous background collect. if they pass the background check, they will be given an opportunity to pay a fine and get a worker permit that allows them to stay in the u.s., work, travel, and pay taxes. they will not be eligible for any federal benefits, including obamacare. it's not a special path. it's the same path as everybody else. that will be dependent upon certain security measures being met. that means securing the border. universal e-verify, and the universe pre/exit. and if it is not in place, it will not begin, even the 10 years has elapsed. >> schieffer: some republicans wias amnesty under another name or under another label. is it? i think that musses the point, under existing law, if you're illegally here you can get a green card. it says you have to go back to your country of birth, wait 10 years, and apply for the green weird. we're saying if you decide to stay here, you have to wait more than 10 years, until e-verify and

rubio said is really de facto amnesty because you have a situation where employers are able to game the system by hiring undocumented immigrants and competing unfairly with good employers. i think what he and the gang of eight have managed to do is a compromise that attempts to thread the needle to restaore te rule of law. there are some things i won't necessarily agree with but i think we all have to understand that we are at the verge of an historic moment of an issue that has haunted us in which the american public is in a much more pragmatic place than congress has been. >> as you point out, the status quo has been something of -- politicians have counted on it when it comes to this issue. listen to john mccain on that issue. >> this is a vehicle that requires hearings and requires input and we welcome all of that. i am guardedly optimistic that we will see finally the end of this long, long trek that a lot of us have been on for many years. >> the long, long trek. isn't this something that both sides have gained for political results over the years and are they just backed into a c

what we have in place today is de facto amnesty. >> conservative leaders have a plan. the toughest enforcement measure in the history of the united states. >> they have to pass the background check. they have to be able to pay the registration fee. they have to pay a fine. >> border security on steroids. tough border triggers. and no giveaways for lawbreakers. >> no federal benefits, no food stamps, no welfare, no obama care. they have to prove they're gainfully employed. >> bold. very conservative. a tough line on immigration. >> it puts in place the toughest enforcement measures in the history of the united states. potentially in the world. >> so they're going to deny people, something he wanted to deny the whole country. anyway, i think it's very nervy. >> i think -- >> what do you think? >> the ad was immediately denounced by erick ericson and the right in the republican party. because they think -- >> that's the right wing zoo. >> yes, but they have a bit of a civil war here. >> i think it is. let's talk about that civil war. what happens if you have a good, tough

we have four choices, we can leave it the way it is, which is de facto amnesty, we can try to round everybody them back, we can make life miserable so they'll deport themselves, i don't think that works either. or we can try to address it in a way that's responsible but humane. in a way that sunt fair to the people who are doing it the right way and doesn't encourage people to do it the wrong way in the future and i think that's what we have arrived at and i hope i can convince people that this is the right approach. >> and this very out front position that you have -- and i wasn't suggesting you self-appointed, you seem to be the go-to guy for this gang of eight. >> yeah, i know. >> do you think this would help or hurt marco rubio if he perhaps ran for president in 2016? >> you know, i haven't even thought about it in that way. i know it is hard to believe for those that live and breathe politics. >> seriously, senator? i really haven't. i have a job. my belief has been if i do my job and i do my job well, i'll have options and opportunities in the future to do things whether it's run for re

it's de facto amnesty. what i'm saying is, let's bring the people out to figure out who needs to leave and who we're going to give a chance to, earn their way towards one day being able to apply for a green card the same way everybody else does. and i think that's why that's a better approach. >> let's talk about the politics here. what's at stake for the republican party here? what will it do to your party if the conservatives who oppose this succeed in killing it? >> i'm looking forward to the other 92 senators weighing in because i think they're going to make it better. there's eight of us that have worked on this. and we've worked very hard. but there's 92 other people with their own ideas. i've tried to incorporate their ideas as much as possible. given the bills they filed in the past. they have letters that outlined concerns and we have answers to all of those concerns. i look forward to how they can improve this bill and this product. as far as the republican party is concerned, i just want the repu

. >> illegal immigrants are enjoying a policy that marco rubio described today as de facto amnesty and if they want to stay they need to pay fines and get jobs. >> amnesty is anything that says do it illegally. it will be cleanup cheaper and easier. under the existing law, if you are illegally in the united states you are motd prohibited from getting a green card. the only thing you have to go back to your home country and wait ten years and then you can apply for it. iel we're saying we're going to create an alternative. >> another member of the gang of eight it will be public next week. >> all the disagreements are resolved and i expect the eight 6 us will introduce a bill on tuesday. >> reporter: outside some think the colleagues are on the wrong track. >> we need to ask how this new flow of workers is going to be double the current flow of legal workers in the future in addition to those that will be legalize. >> reporter: border security is critical to immigration success. senator durbin says stopping 90% of the illegal border crossing is a trigger for other parts of law. >> every

we have de facto amnesty. we have a immigration system that is not good for this country, it is very bad for this country and needs to be fixed. i'm trying to figure out a way to fix it. i think we have come up with decent starting point, a very good one and i hope to be able to improve upon but i'm looking for ways to make it better. leaving it the way it is right now is crazy. it is bad for our country. martha: it led in some ways to a asylum system which allowed public benefits to flow to the family of these boston bombers we now know. one. issues that has been brought up is this student visa issue. you open the door to perhaps not allowing must sim students to receive student visas in this country. did you mean that, 24 hours later? >> yeah. because, let me explain to you. why we have to get proper perspective here. no one has a right to immigrate to the united states. no one has a right to visit the united states and no one has a right to get a visa to study in the united states. there is no right to do t

second point we have 11 million undocumented immigrants in america, and frankly, they have today de facto amnesty unless they commit a violate criminal act they are unlikely to be sent home. what are we going do to deal with that? >> host: if the proposal in the house matches what the senate is talking about, that is $7 billion in investment border security. the borders have to be secure before there's a pathway to citizenship. are you a yes vote? >> guest: details matter. but i would say this, i believe that a proposal that starts with strong border security that is not better than those who came here legally, as i understand it if one were to leave today you can come back in ten years and apply for citizenship. as i understand the plan it would be ten years before you could get an official green card and probably thirteen years the closest someone could come. that seems to make sense. i think it's important as we address this debate that we recognize that no one has a right to come this country illegally. there may be reason of compassion and economic reasons to deal with this challenge. i thin

because we have they call a de facto amnesty now, it's in fact literal amnesty now and making that progress -- promise will make another rush over our p borders. we must restore the rule of law. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from new jersey seek recognition? without objection, the gentleman from new jersey is recognized for one minute. >> thank you, mr. speaker. creating an immigration process for new american immigrants is not just an issue that will shape the future for one group. mr. payne: so much is at stake for the three million african and caribbean immigrants who are here. they are a vital part of our future in search of freedom and a better life. they also deserve a fair system that works and they are more than just a number on a page. last week, a young lady came to my office who was born in america to haitian parents. her name is natalie. natalie is a graduate student who has job offers lined up. she is ready to work and commits herself to this country. but natalie can't do those things because of our broken immigration system. she is