have issues that we're not following up on a constituent, send it to me or send it to our governor fairstaff who will take care of it right away. >> thank you, mr. dimon. >> thank you, mr. chairman and thank you, mr. dimon. i think this has been very informative to members of our committee. i think you told senator shelby that the purpose for hedging is to earn a lot of revenue in the event of a crisis, and i think you said that hedging worked to an extent in 2008 for your company. can you quantify the extent to which hedging worked in 2008? >> i don't recall the 2008 year, but this synthetic credit portfolio did earn several billion dollars of income in the three or four years before it just lost some of it. >> okay, so -- >> we could follow up and give you more specific detail on that. >> i think that's probably what we need to do. with the avvoca rule -- i think you said you didn't really know what the voca rule is, and if you don't, we don't, either. but i think you said you know how it's currently drafted, and as it's drafted, how would that have affected the cio's ability to do that he