you don't think that jerry falwell is a stupid man, do you, mr. bakker?their ministry unless they keep putting these charges on top of us? >> and as for the homosexual advances going back to 1956, you're saying that's a lie? >> yes, that's true, that's a lie. >> that's a lie. >> yes. we'd go back to ptl and work for nothing, if god wants that. >> yeah, well, maybe you would, but you didn't, and the fact of the matter is, not only did you not work for nothing, you worked for a great deal. >> the board of directors with me out of the room always vote on our salary. tammy and i had nothing to do with our salary. >> i mean, you know, money is so tari trivial, so irrelevant to them, right? >> jerry falwell, at a press conference earlier that day had brought out this little note, handwritten note from tammy bakker. >> there was just a shopping list in which she's sort of laying out the, "all right. you want us to go quietly? here's what we want." >> jim's salary for lifetime at $300,000 per year. tammy's salary for lifetime $100,000 annually. house on the lake

this has been festering since jerry falwell and his cronies fought against desegregation. actually as i write the book, they closed gerry follow with one of the main figures in virginia and prince edward county where i am from, where i was born rather than desegregate. this modern right wing evangelical movement was born and its roots are in racism. since that time we have seen various spikes in opposition to the common good and to our racial hatred. we saw in the tea party. and there are rhetoric. they wanted to hang president obama, they called his wife and children monkeys, salt the cells of them in many ways calling him the antichrist and all that. it really is a continuation. but then when trumpet, we had a black president, that upset so many people. even before i guess obama was inaugurated get people standing up saying i want my country back. where did it go? country back? oh that's right a black man is president. that means there's something wrong with the country now because this guy went to harvard and columbia. come on. it was festering in the tea party had peop

that was radical for her time when you had people like jerry falwell saying homosexuality is a canceresome. >> stephen: we have a clip of that moment right now, jim. >> and how sad is that? that we as christians who are supposed to love everyone are afraid so badly of an aids patient, that we will not go up to them and put our arm around them and tell them that we care. ( applause ) >> stephen: it's really hard to believe. >> aaah! thank you so much! >> stephen: i have-- it's really-- i have interviewed a lot of people, like in marvel movies who look less transformed in their parts than you do there. i mean, it's-- i know that's you, but it's an incredible transformation, but believable at the same time. how long did that take? >> well, the makeup-- the longest it took was seven hours one day. it's a lot. >> stephen: well, that-- that-- that openly gay minister. >> yes. >> stephen: that you're speaking to there, who was h.i.v. positive at the time in 1985, he lived. >> he did. >> stephen: he came to the premiere. that's the real steve peters right there. ( applause ). >> yes. >> steph

you used to have the dancing around, republican candidate falwell and here as you say it's openly embracedt me press you on the one part that does not totally align which is why would marjorie taylor greene go to this thing? they seem to be keeping some kind of distance. >> marjorie taylor greene is not going because mccarthy told her she can't go. i doubt if it was not for kevin mccarthy or mitch mcconnell -- >> they have an idea of how january 6th is going to go. it would simply fade away and not to trap any interests. most swing voters do not like partisanship. they thought they can simply -- what they did not realize that they under estimated for us by putting kinssinger on the mission and liz cheney. he belongs to a republican family that's so iconic. by putting them on the commission, she blew up that talking point. >> i am running out of time and my last question is the shortest and a little more baroque which is we also don't know whether pepa, the frog will show up. i don't know if you heard one way or another? >> i am sure you are going to see carricuture of pepa the frog. to see

it was used by a young minister named jerry falwell to say that americans would be a majority of people pushing for morality at home and abroad. they would not accept anything less. what do we see? so, david says it looks like nothing is happening. chloe says a bunch of people are dead. karen says stagnation. nathan says it looks more like militaryianism. joan says it seems like they're still very much undemocratic. miranda says not really moving toward democracy. >> the irony, if we go back to the image, the image is they're not moving to democracy at all. we're using the words. it is not that reagan didn't bereave it. he actually believed it. but it was that the pursuit of democracy was often simply destroying democracy. remember the warning from the early cold war. we have to make sure when we are defending values, we are not defending them in ways that actually destroys them. but reagan advocated out of sincerity, supporting the people who needed to be supported because they were fighting the guys we hated. in supporting one group of thugs against another group of thugs, we were not

. >> nate understood falwell.e con artists. they couldn't know which story would win. nate was pretty sure the one finally telling the truth was chuck. >> we didn't suspect it anymore, now we know. >> in november 2015, in madison ville tennessee, martha and my clancy went on trial mcclancy went on trial. >> she was charged with conspiracy to commit first degree murder. >> matthew rogers was there to defend ann -- conspiring with her lumberjack, to make bob's death look like a suicide. then, stealing bob's benefits. the guilty verdict could mean the death penalty. but martha ann was fully able to defend herself with an absolute bait -- blanket denial. >> she maintained her innocence from the very beginning. she made it very clear that she wanted to speak with the jury, and to tell her side of the story. >> there were no cameras in the courtroom, but microphones were allowed. >> bob was the love of my life. i couldn't have imagined losing him. and i didn't want to lose him, i didn't want to be without him. >> and be