. >> i know they want -- >> he is talking about fulton county district attorney, vani fani willis, whos chasing notoriety over chasing cases like his son's death. >> but what about police brutality? wrong is wrong. murder is murder. crime is crime. no matter who says it and who does it. >> is that why you stand on the corner there? >> i stand on the corner there until i win this right there until she sees me every day. >> the da's office, under fani willis's predecessor, conducted an investigation into the deadly shooting and recommended that the officer be charged with felony murder. cnn reached out to fani willis 's office for an interview four times, but we never heard back. >> what do we want? >> justice! >> when do we want it? >> now! >> hills pursuit of justice may not be getting the attention he wants from the da but it has inspired others. in the last two years, hill has been joined in his weekly demonstrations by other black families who also lost their children at the hands of police. parents like anthony boykins, his 12-year-old was killed in a crash, following a pit maneuve

but how much can they really blame fani willis with that kind of case backlog?resources. she is asked for funding to hire more attorneys, to be able to go through these thousands of cases that she says she has inherited from a previous administration. but for the families, it is how she is spending her energy. they see their case in the case of jimmy atkinson who profiled. the previous administration has already ruled that the officer was unjustified in his use of force. so they see it as a no-brainer to take this to the grand jury. meanwhile, they see her investigating the former president donald trump. they see her going after what they believe is rappers for wrap lyrics. while their case is more than three years old at this point and they still do not have answers. >> they are framing this is willis is going up to black young men who commit crimes, but not the police. and these families are wanting waiting for justice now but is it fair to frame it that way? >> i don't think so. i think the da's office would think that short sighted. they think that they are

any clues or hints about how quickly after the midterm elections and 31 days, fani willis will move? >> i don't know exactly what, david, i imagine it will be very quickly after the midterm elections. obviously, she's trying to give some window here for the politics to play out. without the investigation being at the top of the news. either one affecting the other. and at the same time, most of the evidence here has existed for quite a long time. i'm not sure there's a lot of obstacles that are moving forward once the elections are done. >> john allen, glenn kirschner, and tracey wilder, thank you. coming up! just 31 days until the election that may determine the future of america, and with october surprise after surprise, we look at what has voters worked up right now. and now, he's making the case the nation's now adrift. but can still be fixed! stephanie goes one-on-one with author, professor, podcast host, scott galloway. the 11th hour just getting underway on a friday night! or an unbearable itch. this painful, blistering rash can disrupt your life for weeks. it could make your

what does fani willis want from mark meadows? >> i think that, you know, to carole's question about his exposure and to what fani willis is clearly looking at, it's not really just that call, right. she's wanting to know everything that took place in the lead up to that call that mark meadows has knowledge of, that would have led to that pressure on the secretary of state to find, magically find 11,000 votes, and, so i do think there is exposure for mark meadows that may be beyond just what we hear on that call and, you know, there is a -- i think what she's looking at, among the various different election crimes that are potentially available in -- under georgia state law, which is the law she would be applying, you know, there's a potential there for a conspiracy and there's a potential that some of this evidence would lead to that. now that, of course, would mean that there was -- is a decent likelihood, if that's true, that mark meadows will assert the fifth amendment and then we have the same issue there of a prosecutor in g

about the georgia election numbers. >> what can fani willis do with this information at this point? really -- you know, at this point, if it were anyone else, that person would've been indicted a long time ago. the one thing the judges will tell you over and over again, is that the thing that breaks courts down is when litigants affirmatively lie to them. zelous advocacy is one thing, people push the envelope, but when you have somebody who is actually filing documents, and saying that i believe this is true under penalty of perjury. when you have been told yourself that it is not true, that is the system breaking down, that is what prosecutors want to throw the book at somebody. and what judges do as well. and so i find it very hard, yes? >> go ahead. >> i don't know him as well, but i find it hard to think that she could look the other way given this black and white information. >> it also exposes to some degree, trump's privileged crimes are a canard, part in the french. it just seemed to be a delay tactic, and i wonder if there are aftereffects in the special master's case, wher

atlanta area district attorney fani willis reportedly once former house speaker mute gingrich and ex trump national security adviser michael flynn to testify before a grand jury. you may recall that before trump left office, he pardoned flynn, who had twice pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi. the guy currently, in the white house, was facing a lot of questions today about his warning last night that the world is at risk of a nuclear armageddon if russia deploys tactical weapons against ukraine. today, the white house said those comments were not based on any new intelligence. with that, let's bring in our lead off panel, john allen, senior national politics reporter for nbc. former federal prosecutor, glenn kirschner, he tried hundreds of cases in his 30 year career, including murder trials, organized crimes, and president setting cases. and tracey wilder, former cia officer and fbi agent. she's the author of the book the unexpected spy. thank you all for joining me tonight. glenn, we have this new reporting about the possibility of documents stash and trump tower and bedminster, jus

so these are right within the wheelhouse of what fani willis is looking at, jose. >> lisa, so now themp has been deposed in the e. jean carroll suit. where does the case go from there? >> right now the case is currently on appeal. one of the questions is was trump acting within his scope of employment as president when he allegedly defamed e. jean carroll by denying he had ever sexually assaulted her, much less that he knew her. however, last week when he was ordered to appear for his deposition, he doubled down on those allegations and he went to truth social and repeated all of the same allegedly defamatory statements. he has essentially eviscerated his best defense for the defamation case and has given e. jean carroll and her lawyers very good cause to amend their complaint and say, donald trump not only said these things while he was president, but he said these things as a private citizen. to the extent they can prove that they were false and trump knew they were false when they said them, that's another problem for the former president where he faces serious civil liability, jos

voter fraud in the state of georgia was already strong and now, fulton county district attorney, fani willis, will be able to obtain access to attorney, john eastman's emails, showing that donald trump knew -- knew that the under oath statement that he made with his signature, about voter fraud, was false and he knew it when he signed it! >> donald trump knew that those numbers were false, before -- before he made the now famous phone call to georgia secretary of state, on january 2nd, 2021. >> all i want to do is this. i just want to find--uh--11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. >> georgia district attorney fani willis now has evidence that donald trump knew before he made that phone call, that it was impossible to legally find votes to legally change the outcome of the election in georgia. donald trump already has the title of defendant, in several civil lawsuits, including losses that could bankrupt him, brought by the capitol police officers suing him for launching the attack on the capitol on january six. and the writer e. jean carroll, finally had trump under oath today, in a

graham is fighting a subpoena to testify before fulton county district attorney fani willis' grand juryinvestigation for some reason. justice thomas has temporarily blocked a lower court's order requiring graham to answer questions about the phone calls he made to georgia election officials in the weeks after the 2020 race was called. oh, and get this. the ultimate decision as to whether graham will have to testify could be made by justice thomas himself, or he could bring it to the other justices on the 6-3 supreme court, to decide. and joining me is glenn kirschner, legal analyst and former federal prosecutor. i saw harry lipman tweeting about this and it was sort of a calm you down tweet. it sure is suspicious looking for clarence thomas to be the one to rescue lindsey graham from having to testify. talk me down. is this something i should be concerned about? >> joy, i can only talk you down in part because it seems like the supreme court is willing to embrace the stench of illegitimacy. i don't understand why they continue to dig themselves deeper and deeper into the hole of illegit

it is being led by fani willis in fulton county, atlanta.ion is going to go quiet. this is a pretty common practice for prosecution. they don't want to create the appearance of a conflict, of any attempt to politicize the probe. so the reporting is telling us that willis is going to quiet things down the next few weeks. but after the midterms, as we get deeper into november, december, that could be the time for her to wrap up the grand jury. possibly if she thinks the evidence is there, look for an indictment >> fascinating. marshall cohen, thanks as always. we appreciate it. >>> months after a shooter killed 19 children and two teachers in uvalde, texas, a long-awaited move announced by the school district has arrived. that's next. ns. that's why visionworks gives you 100 days to change your mind.d. it's simple. anything else i can help you with? like what? visionworks. see the difference. ♪ ♪ greavalue starting at six dollars. only from op. download the app and earn free foodith every order. (driver 1) it's all you. (driver 2) no, i insist

just this week, the former county district attorney there fani willis, asked the judge to sign off on search warrants in that case. a possible sign that the investigation may have moved into a new phase. we are now about a month away from the midterm elections and a new report in the washington post points out and alarming reality. according to the paper, a majority of republicans, he has a majority of them, certainly the nominees on the ballot for house, senate and keys statewide senate races, about two 99 of all, have denied or questioned the result of the 2020 election. tonight, the political focus is on the state of our zone where one of those election deniers, republican senate candidate black masters is debating democratic incumbent it mark kelly. keri lake, the states nominate for governor also journeyer of trump biden's 2021 is on the ballot. and last night les cheney warned that candidates like keri lake or simply putting democracy at risk. >> if you care about democracy and you care about this arrival of our republic, then you need to understand that we cannot give people po

the da there, fani willis, has been open that she is hoping to bring charges by self imposed deadline by the end of this year. that's one. and the mar-a-lago investigation is moving ahead. the government maybe wants way to developing search warrants, probable cause to look at other premises were donald trump may have stored other documents that he was not supposed to have. and so, there is movement on various fronts. and all of those are happening in parallel. don't think we're gonna have to choose among them. >> multiple paths of accountability. time, though, is of the essence. philip rucker, david jolly, tali farhadian, thank you for getting us started. coming out looking almond from the debate between raphael warnock and herschel walker. did it move the needle? and later, jon meacham -- the clear choice he says republicans have to make for the future of this country. the 11th hour coming underway on a friday night. ♪limu emu & doug♪ it's nice to unwind after a long week of telling people how liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. showtime. w

a spokesperson for fulton county district attorney fani willis says meadows won't appear before the grand source tells nbc news that attorneys for former president trump agreed to formally receive the subpoena issued by the january 6th house select committee, but accepting the subpoena does not mean that trump has agreed to appear before it. the subpoena calls for trump to testify at the capitol or by video conference. trump was given until november 4th to give the january 6th committee documents, including any communications he may have had regarding extremist groups that plays a role in the capitol riot, and any attempts in the past year to contact witnesses testifying before the committee. joining us now, reporter for "the washington post", camila dechalus. what are the chances that trump actually shows up? >> it's very unclear. he has publicly acknowledged, i was just at a trump campaign rally over the weekend, and he has acknowledged he has received and been served the subpoena. he talked about the january 6th committee saying that they continue to look into him but they have found n

>> if you were on fani willis's team in georgia, what would you believe the value of mark meadows' testimonythe missing piece to connecting donald trump to pretty much everything. not only what's going on in fulton county but everything around january 6th and what happened and took place there. mainly because mark meadows is the one who can talk about what is going on in the office of the president, the mind of the president because he was right there. he was in close proximity. he will be able the one to tie everything on the outside to donald trump. he's the link. he's the missing piece. and that's why you are seeing prosecutors in fulton county move as aggressively as they can to get and compel his testimony because it's so critical in order to make that chain of command so clear that it connection donald trump and his mind-set and what he heard and what he was being told to what he actually did around trying to overturn this election. >> okay. let's move to january 6th. that was a great explanation. i appreciate that. trump lawyers finally accepted a subpoena. who knew it was so difficul

and don't forget, the fulton county district attorney down in georgia fani willis, and we've seen that expanding and getting closer to donald trump's innercircle we know that prosecutors have been negotiating or discussioning with key witnesses, mark ma meadows. on a quick note about timing because midterms are only three weeks away, we're not going to see a politically charged indictments between now and then but once the midterms happen, all the focus is going to be back on the two prosecutors. >> beyond the january 6 related investigations trump has plenty of other legal worries as well. so, walk us through those. >> he has a full legal plate, in addition to what we talked about, there is the mar-a-lago documents investigation which continues. that could result in criminal charges against donald trump or others. that will be up to the justice department. the new york state attorney general letitia james brought that case that was a civil case, not a criminal case against donald trump, using fraudulent business practices. e.j. carroll, the writer has sued trump for defamation. and fi

. -- you have fani willis -- you have everything going on with -- and now you've january 6th.that donald trump is facing, this is the most direct line to a potential indictment and conviction with respect to the obstruction of justice and the reason for that is the timeline. this is occurring after he has been subpoenaed by the department of justice to preserve these documents and to have them where they can access them. and after that, he is directly providing instructions to other people to put them in other places. so, that above anything else, provides a really direct line for a potential indictment and prosecution. >> charles, thank you very much, my friend. >> thank you, symone. >> next, we are continuing my theories of interviews with the president of -- we are talking about the top issues driving get out the votes efforts. -- right after this break, they will be here. ey will be here what will you do? ♪ what will you change? ♪ will you make something better? ♪ will you create something entirely new? ♪ our dell technologies advisors provide you with the tools and expert

significant consequences for the ongoing investigation by fulton county, georgia, district attorney fani willispartment into trump's election schemes, and his involvement in january 6th. in other words, buckle up. joining us now is neil koch, former u.s. acting solicitor general during the obama administration, and current professor of law at georgetown university. no better tough person to talk to get all of this. thank you for joining me tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> and so how meaningful is this? we are now old enough to remember the number of times that donald trump has lied publicly. how meaningful is it that he is apparently lying in federal court? >> this is a really big deal, alex, you said buckle up, and i think that's exactly right. what happens tonight is not like the january 6th committee, where a bunch of democrats or something who were saying hey, i found something in the email. this is a highly respected federal judge, judge carter, and what he said is basically this. there were a whole bunch of emails that investigators have been trying to get, and donald trump and joh

. >> and paul butler, on the mark meadows subpoena, the district attorney fani willis has time.t prevented from doing anything significant publicly. as long as we are still within this window of the election. >> yeah, so she doesn't have the deadline, the kind of lose deadline that the house panel has if the house does go to the republicans. and lawrence, remember, mark meadows also refused to testify before that house january 6th panel, and congress held him in contempt. but meadows then turned over documents that were helpful to the committee and that's when the department of justice declined to prosecute him for under federal law. >> andrew weissmann and paul butler, thank you both very much for joining our discussion tonight! >> you're welcome. >> thank you. >> coming up early voting is underway in wisconsin where the polls show a statistical tie, a tie in the senate race between ron johnson and our next guest, lieutenant governor, mandala barnes, that is next! ♪ music (“i swear”) plays ♪ jaycee tried gain flings for the first time the other day... and forgot where she was.

fani willis.ability to be impartial in these cases, especially the ones involving the efforts to overturn the 2020 election in which we now know and his wife does not deny she played a key role. prosecutors have until thursday to respond. we're back with pete and john. john heilemann, these stories are so provocative, i guess, because john roberts would have you believe he cares. he cares that in the gallup poll the supreme court has plunged over 20, 25 points. in terms of what the public thinks of it and how much it trusts it. and yet today clarence thomas, whose wife doesn't lie about still believing that donald trump should be reinstated, should be the president and that joe biden stole the election, he's deciding cases involving an investigation into justice that. >> yeah. i mean, i think, nicolle, that -- actually, i think john roberts does care about it. i don't know exactly what john roberts can do about it in these cases. it's not as though -- the chief justice does not have -- i'm the wro

a spokesperson for the fulton county district attorney fani willis says meadows will not appear before the grand jury until sometime after the midterm elections next month with this kind of on pause right now, this investigation. greg, i want to play part of a phone call where mark meadows is on tape trying to influence the counting of the votes in the state of georgia back in january of 2021. >> mr. secretary, obviously there is -- there are allegations where we believe not every vote or fair vote and legal vote was counted. and that's at odds with the representation from the secretary of state's office. what i'm hopeful for is there some way that we can find some kind of an agreement to look at this a little bit more fully, you know, the president mentioned fulton county, but in some of these areas where there seems to be a difference of where the facts seem to lead and so mr. secretary, i was hopeful that, you know, in the spirit of cooperation and compromise, is there something that we can at least have a discussion to look at some of these allegations to find a path forward that's

have to answer questions about the calls, which are now part of fulton county district attorney fani willis's criminal investigation into possible election interference in the state because he made them in his capacity as chair of the senate judiciary committee at the time. in a unanimous ruling thursday, a three-judge panel of the 11th circuit u.s. court of appeals disagreed with graham's argument. >> and i will say, mika, the 11th circuit as we were explaining a few weeks ago when we were talking about the special master appeal, very conservative. it's a very conservative circuit. it's also a no nonsense circuit, and on issues like this, they're going to rule this way most of the time. if the 11th circuit is there, they're going to do what the supreme court has done time and again, on a lot of these issues and swatted them away. they are not, you know, donald trump may think it's his 11th circuit, and it's his supreme court. willie, time and time again federal judges disabuse him of that notion. they're ideological on abortion. they have had world views since the time they were in law schoo