but we should not be sleeping on fani willis. yesterday, trump filed yet another motion to try to disqualify da willis from his case entirely. we are going to get some expert help figuring out how serious that is in a second. but even just trump trying to disqualify da willis, this late in the game, shows how afraid he is a for potential prosecution of him. we also got reporting out of the guardian newspaper today, shown how wide ranging and serious the charges da willis is planning to bring against trump -- how serious they could be. the guardians hugo wall reports that willis has developed evidence to charge a sprawling racketeering or rico indictment next month. now, i should note that nbc news has not independently confirmed that reporting. but we do know that da willis really likes bringing rico cases. earlier this year, she pointed out to the washington post that she had brought more rico indictments in her first 20 months in office than the fulton county office had brought in the past ten years. and i know when you hear rac

calendar and take a special look at the outstanding cases we are all waiting for including finding fani willis is the investigation in georgia. plus, fighting back texas women are opening up about the harsh dangerous restrictions on abortion in that state. republican roadblock john roberts won't fix the supreme courts. republicans in congress, they are giving him cover. i'm ayman mohyeldin let's get started. >> donald trump has escaped accountability almost his entire life. but this year, every thing is changing. welcome to the summer of accountability. while we are at it now the welcome to the fall, the winter, the spring the 2024, all of them about accountability as well. there is a litigation there's civil trials, everywhere you look for donald trump there is a legal challenge. the latest calendar entry, may 20th 2024. that is the day judge aileen kevin just announced for the classified documents trial against trump. at least four other cases are scheduled to go to trial before the documents case. we want to give you a quick recap of what they are. they are the trump organization civil frau

fani willis is at the state level, jack smith at the federal level.er of them will conflict with mat the other is doing. photographs from a security standpoint and timing standpoint, they might seek to coordinate with one another. >> would more indictments, charles, create complications for the other cases already proceeding, the classified documents case, e. jean carroll case, u.s. fraud investigation. all of those have court dates on the calendar for the former president. if you are trump's lawyers, how in the world do you defend against all of this? >> that's a great question. i think the answers are tied into one another. first and foremost, because of judge cannon's may 20th, 2024 ruling in the mar-a-lago case, if i'm donald trump's attorneys, i'm going to be using that case for the benchmark for every other case that might come up, every other indictment. i'm going to be using that initial date to try to serve as the benchmark going forward for anything else that comes after it. why? that's the best opportunity i'm going to have to delay things

fani willis. she's been telling local reporters, quote, some people may not be happy with my decisions and says the local sheriffs putting up security barriers is a smart move. we'll get the latest from georgia in a minutes. >>> "the new york times" calls it a month in hell for the city of phoenix. 31 straight days of temperatures over 110. hospitals still overwhelmed. billions lost in the economy nationwide. the poor suffering the most among the millions made miserable by the heat. formering governor john kasich says his fellow republicans need to wake up to the threat of climate change. why are so few heeding the call? >>> we start in florida where the world got its first glimpse at mar-a-lago property manager carlos de oliveira, the name forever added to the list of alleged co-conspirators alongside donald trump. de oliveira accused of trying to help trump delete video evidence and lying to investigators. the 56-year-old did not enter a plea because he does not have local counsel. the judge gav

fani willis has in recent weeks weighed potential statutes under which to charge trump. and they are solicitation to commit election fraud, conspiracy to commit election fraud, solicitation to destroy ballots, and solicitation of a public officer to fail to perform duties. now, an example of soliciting a public officer to fail to perform duties could be president trump calling the georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger and asking mr. raffensperger to find 11,780 votes see that trump could win the state. experts also think the former president could have legal exposure under the conspiracy statute for the steps his campaign took to replace the state's legitimate electors with 16 fake trump electors. still with me is andrew wiseman, former justice department prosecutor and joining us now is michael moore, former u.s. attorney and partner with the moore hall in atlanta. michael, let me start with you in terms of the words solicitation and conspiracy sound alarming. what do you make of these potential statutes and how difficult or how uphill a battle fani willis will

we're all watching fani willis.mminent decision is really -- >> we are watching funding willis. and we are listening to a lot of aggressive talk out there. some from donald trump. he attacked the justice department and jack smith on social media just yesterday. i want to share what andrew weissmann said about his actions. >> if he is indicted in d. c., d. c. has as part of its standing order, free press fair trial rules. that limit what a defendant can say that could taint a jury. this kind of conduct and these statements would violate those rules. >> glenn, you have tried cases in d. c.. could donald trump, the former president running for reelection face a gag order? >> he could face a gag order. and if anybody cares about equal application of the rules of law staff, we actually have a remedy for a defendant who threatens prosecutors and judges and witnesses. it is called pretrial detention. now people might call me crazy. but, the law provides that if somebody pending a criminal trial is a danger to the community

for more than two years now fani willis has been investigating trump's election interference in the state of georgia. today they impanelled from a special grand jury that heard from a total of 45 witnesses. a woman has since told the press the jury recommended indictments for multiple people on a range of charges, but that special grand jury did not have the power to indict on its own. to bring an indictment d.a. willis needs the approval of a regular grand jury like the two seated today, which happened. and the time line remains unclear when might they issue an indictment. earlier this year willis sent a letter to the fulton county sheriff alerting him of the need of heightened security and vigilance because at some point in that time frame the d.a. will announce her charging decision in this case. two months ago willis got even more specific telling the chief judge at the fulton county superior court the staff will be working remotely from august 31st to the 18th. the idea of that seems to be keep the people at the courthouse to a minimum for their safety in case people are riled up ove

fani willis is obviously looking at things that happen in georgia. call to the secretary of state, brad raffensperger. the ducey call though, to the extent that it follows the same playbook. she could use that in the same way that jack smith is using the fact that the former president allegedly, in the smith telling, was showing off a classified documents to a group of people. he did not charge that in the indictments, but it tells a story and it shows a pattern of behavior. it shows that this stuff is not on accident. it's not a coincidence. it's all part of the same scheme. so that's why to the extent that willis uses that door to the extent the jack smith uses things that happen in georgia, i think it tells a coherent story. and is certainly appealing to a jury to the extent that gets that far. >> when do you think we should expect a potential charges in either of these cases? look laura, you are very well. sourced in fani willis in georgia are specifically sent out memos in march and her office said something again in may. asking the court to not

here are the dates that fani willis has indicated that she is likely to indict. do you see the overlap? this is all right around the corner. so buckle up, grand jury be starts on thursday. grand jury a starts on monday. and, then down in florida, on tuesday which is just a week from today, we are expecting another key decision in another case against trump. tuesday it will be the first hearing in special counsel jack smith's case about trump's handling of classified documents down at mar-a-lago. late last, night team trump formally asked the judge to overseeing the case to postpone this criminal trial until after the 2024 election. obviously, whether that case sees the light of day before after the 2024 election has major implications and it poses the possibility of trump being able to preemptively pardon himself before the case actually runs its course or to get his attorney general to stand down on prosecuting it. so the timing here is a major decision. we anticipate the judge in this case will make a decision either shortly before or shortly after that tuesday

overlaps with what fani willis is looking at. you know looking for those extra votes and the interference with the certifying of the electors in georgia. generally, the feds want to have prosecutors and get to go on before state prosecutors when charges are available in both jurisdictions. and he is the one who is making it part of a bigger network of crimes of election interference around the country. so i think that is right that this has a little bit on firing and as she said she is posted 1 million different ways exactly what her timeframe is. sort of sounding like i count invites to the navy. >> joyce i mean we know that rudy giuliani has been interviewed by federal prosecutors in this case. mark, meadows mike pence and the central characters of trump and the january 6th spot have all testified in front of the prosecutors. or in front of the grand jury. we are talking about three weeks here. do you think we might see a federal indictment of the former president or at least charging decisions in the next three weeks? as a con

fani willis decides to charge trump with criminal solicitation to commit election fraud? now to answer this is claire mccaskill, former democratic senator from missouri. always great to have. you i know you and i've been following what has been going on, there have been people who've been falling every turn of the screw as it concerns is indictments and leading up to evidence and potential indictments. but you think the american public more broadly has a real sense of what may be coming down the pipe for donald trump as it concerns these national council? >> i think it totally depends on where you get your information and how tightly your circle of information is drawn. i'm from a state alex where a whole lot of those folks, and 50% for trump, a whole bunch of missouri is right there, and certainly the majority of the republican party. and so they are not going to be fazed by more indictments. they have been convinced, they have totally swallowed the big lie they have become convinced that this is a plot against donald trump. now it's very hard for those of us who follow

into his trial packed calendar and take a look at all the cases we're all waiting for including fani willis's investigation in georgia. >>> plus, fighting back. texas women are opening up about the harsh dangerous restrictions on that state. >>> and john roberts won't fix the supreme court's epic crisis. >>> and republicans in congress, they're giving him cover. let's get started. >>> donald trump has escaped accountability almost his entire life, but this year everything is changing. welcome to the summer of accountability, and actually while we're at it, welcome to the fall, to the winter, to the spring 2024, all of them about accountability as well. there's litigation, civil trials, criminal trials. everywhere you look for donald trump, there is a legal challenge. the latest calendar entry, may 20th, 2024. that is the day judge aileen cannon announced for the trial for the documents case for donald trump. we want to give you a quick recap of what they are. there's the trump organization civil fraud trial scheduled for october 2nd. the lawsuit brought by leticia james claiming trump come km

fani willis is also investigating the fake electors in her state. so far ms. lis has struck immunity deals with at least 9 of those 16 fake electors in georgia and expected to announce criminal charges potentially against the remaining electors and perhaps even against donald trump next month. meanwhile officials in arizona announced last week that they are investigating the fake electors in their state and at the federal level special counsel jack smith appears to be wrapping up in hez own investigation into the 2020 election for which he has reportedly interviewed officials in all seven states where republicans put forward those fake electioners. joining us now is the former u.s. attorney for the western district of virginia. he's also, of course, the former lead investigator for the house january 6th committee. tim, it is great to see you. thanks for being here tonight. i guess my first question is in terms of the fake elector, the decision to charge these fake electors, i mean how significant is this, and how do you see this potentially influencing or affec

to use the power of the law because i sit here in this jurisdiction it's my responsibility. >> fani willis is known as a prosecutor's prosecutor. she's known as a tough cookie who's a really preparer. as she likes to say, i don't like to try things skinny. i don't like to be in a courtroom unprepared. >> reporter: it's in that vein that willis requested a special purpose grand jury to assist in her investigation. >> special purpose grand juries are very, very, very rare in georgia. >> reporter: robert james is one of the few district attorneys who has overseen a special purpose grand jury in georgia. >> their own powers are much broader than a regular grand jury's. >> reporter: while a special purpose grand jury doesn't issue indictments, it can be a useful tool for a prosecutor. >> the d.a. wanted it because she wanted to use the powers to subpoena people, to get evidence, documented evidence that she wouldn't otherwise have access to. allegations that she was investigating. >> reporter: a special purpose grand jury was impaneled in may 2022. and after nearly seven months and 75 witnesses

from the district attorney fani willis. grand jury has already been seated and could already be hearing evidence about this case right now. we are still expecting him to seek criminal charges against donald trump. and his allies. we've no reason not believe that she will take that step. we've heard from special grand jurors who have indicated donald trump and other big names could be in line for criminal prosecution. >> melissa, georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger, a name all of us know by now met with jack smith investigators last month. how important is he for the state and federal cases. >> i think he is absolutely the fulcrum around which the georgia charges would pivot. he is the one who apparently received the request from donald trump and the trump campaign to find the additional votes. so his testimony will surely not only tell us what was said, we will also give us a sense of what the mindset was for both the former president and those around him. so he's absolutely pivotal here. it's not surprising. we s

charges like racketeering is a specialty for fani willis. how about reading a crystal ball for us right now, barb, and given a kind of run at what possible charges could be coming out of fulton county that we could be seen. >> yeah. you know, fani willis can say that she has to clear the decks for that first week of august, which suggests to me that that's her timing for an indictment. in georgia, i would imagine the focus would be the activity that incurred there. we know about that phone call with backusburg or, which suggests, to me, and effort to interfere with the election. and election fraud charge. there are also fake electors in georgia. there is some tampering with election equipment. there i think one of the reasons why people were talking about using rico's not only does fani willis have a history of using this in a lot of different kinds of contacts, but it would be a useful way to bring in all of those kinds of schemes under one big umbrella. this is what rico is, a pattern of concerning activity. what's racketeering? it's speci

he is focused on fani willis. i have been in this position as u.s. attorney, where there are parallel cases. and, in fact, you normally do communicate more than he has. i think it is interesting that to date he hasn't very much. so, the short answer to your question is, yes. the timing -- and we will get to maybe talk soon about aileen cannon and what is happening in mar-a-lago. but i think, depending on who gets the case in d. c., you could well have a judge who is going to move it very quickly, in a court of appeals, who won't book trump's nonsense as the 11th circuit might. so, yes, all of a sudden, the focus might really be, this is what could go first. and, of course, there is a half a dozen things, including the e. jean carroll civil case going in january. but i think it might very well become the mar-a-lago case, sort of second, third in a huge menu of trouble for donald trump. >> -- squeeze in a quick break here. and for us, it is going to be a reading break. we all have our transcripts of what happened in judge cannon's courtroom yesterday.

this one from fani willis. >> i was wondering about that, glenn, they have written, referring to fani, the basis of which would be evidence unlawfully obtained during the special purpose grand jury proceeding and the special purpose grand jury's report itself. she now seeks an indictment. is that speculation or something they know that we don't know? we learned a lot about trump's legal travails from donald trump. >> you know, ali, i became convinced that the district attorney fani willis was going to indict probably a massive conspiracy case when she did something that was really unusual. i had never seen it done as a prosecutor. she sent a letter to the judges of fulton county, the fulton county court, saying that we respectfully request that you set no trials for two weeks in august. the week of august 7th and 14th, and you set no in-person hearings during those two weeks. that is an incredible ask of a prosecutor to courts, please clear your dockets, clear the decks, really the only reasonable inference there is that she knows full well that she is going to drop a mass of conspira

trump's lawyers moved to disqualify fulton county da fani willis.on county superior court that the special grand jury investigation was, quote, confusing, flawed and, at times blatantly unconstitutional. and since then, little has happened. for about three months, there has not been a ruling. and now we are just over two weeks away from the start of the time period that dea da willis laid out. highlighted here are the day she could possibly file a criminal indictment against donald trump. and, as a result, trump's team is acting with, shall we say, greater urgency. today, trump's lawyers filed petitions into georgia courts, that's a in fulton county superior court they filed a petition in last march, and the georgia supreme court, which is the states highest court. and the point of these petitions was to ask for the same faith again, who shut down fani willis's investigation. team trump argues that her probe was unconstitutional, and causes, quote, injuries to trump as he seeks his party's nomination for the presidency. trump also wants to forbid th

fani willis, the district attorney for fulton county georgia is expected to announce charging decisions soon. likely sometime in august. in her investigation of the efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election, specifically in georgia. two days ago trump's lawyers met with prosecutors in jack smith's office and were told to expect an indictment in the special counsel's federal case waited to the multi state scheme to interfere with the 2020 elections. all right, there's a lot to get here. joining me now is barbara mcquade, a former united states attorney for the eastern district of michigan. she's an msnbc legal analyst. she's the co-host of the sisters in monaco. barbara, good to see you this morning. good for joining us. >> oh, thanks, ali. great to be with. you >> let me, i want to dig into this indictment a little bit. there are specific references to the efforts to delete the security footage. donald trump essence broken on a radio show in which he said it was his footage to delete. you could've deleted anytime he wanted. to that applies to most people, they ha

i do think fani willis has particular expertise in using the racketeering status in georgia. did that with the teaching cheating scandal. something you don't think of. when you think of rico you think of gang centers. you don't think of educators systematically cheating on exams in order to feather their own nests. she's got experience with this, and this is where i think some of the delay on her charges is that some of these fake electors are taking advantage of offers of immunity. and coming in and telling exactly how they were contacted, exactly what they believed, and now can she pull that thread all the way back to donald trump on the fake electors? and that's where somebody like mark meadows becomes a very, very important witness. >> andrew wiseman, to tie them all together for us, what fani willis is up to in georgia and to betsy's point how important georgia and fani willis are to jack smith. >> so i think there's a part of the tape recording that has not gotten enough attention. of course the clip you played is definitely, you know, sort of the muddying shot, that is

the first three weeks of, august what if anything could be potentially hear from fani willis?yman we are all waiting to hear that she has indicted a case. the grand juries that were sworn in earlier this month, they expire on september 1st, so the combination of that date as sort of an outward bound and the letter that she sent its explaining that 70% of our staff is going to be home leaves most people to believe that we will see an indictment if there is going to be one from fulton county in the first couple of weeks of august. the bounds of that indictment obviously are somewhat up in the air but increasingly there is a lot of chatter about fani willis bringing racketeering charges and having some underlying election interference charges that go along with it. >> yeah, of course everyone remembers when he was being indicted town in miami, fulton county sent the i, believe the sheriff's of a sense people to six see people posturing around security around the courthouse, so that may be also how they're preparing for that eventuality. christina, did trump's legal team ever have

what is the overlap, if any, between these two cases, and ajax within fani willis care?lap between these two cases, actually. much of the local investigation in georgia's subsumed within jack smith's investigation. i think what matters to them, frankly, is the overlap of witnesses to ensure the integrity of those witnesses. jack smith wants to make sure that witnesses testifying and a grand jury in georgia that testimony is gonna be consistent with any testimony that witness gives in a grand jury in washington, d.c.. that's the concern. they're not mulling up each other's investigations. does >> that compromise something? if there's a witness jack smith needs and that witness testifies in fani willis's case, what's the danger? >> the danger is ultimately when that witness has to testify in trial, they may have to situations, two times where they have testified before the grand jury. the danger is they are inconsistent in some way and that can be used to impeach that winners. >> even if it's not a big inconsistency you could tell the jury, well they said this in georgia a

we won the state. >> according to nbc news, indictments and fani willis sprawling investigation coulds soon as a week from tomorrow. joining me now, former house impeachment manager and trump second peach, mentor at the democratic policy and communications -- and charles coleman junior, our civil rights attorney, former brooklyn prosecutor, and msnbc legal analyst. and, the host of the charles coleman podcast. gentlemen, welcome back to the sunday show. charles, what do you make of special counsel's jack smith question information from both georgia governor brian cab, and the georgia secretary of state broad rockets burger? >> prosecutors are going to go where the facts take them. it's clear that jack smith is going down a road of where types, and election interference. his cases expanded the jurisdictions where it's clear that donald trump was meddling and attempting to overthrow the election results. that's why we're seeing this investigation, and i suspect that is going to further influence whether we will see him move forward, not just january 6th, but all election interference. >

fulton county georgia district attorney fani willis is preparing to bring charges as soon as next weekallel investigation into election interference in that state. and today, hugo lowell reports and the guardian that the district attorney is weighing, quote, several potential statutes under which to charge, including solicitation to commit election fraud, and conspiracy to commit election fraud. as he notes in the same pace piece, this move by the fulton county district attorney, suggests they are moving closer to an indictment. i should note, nbc news has not independently confirmed this report. we also saw a new court filing from district attorney willis today, who is fighting an effort to unseal the special grand jury's report on this investigation. she basically doesn't want the public figuring around that information before she brings an indictment. arguing that, quote, the report can remain for the district attorney's eyes only at least until until final charging decisions have been. a much more on those looming indictments in georgia coming up later in the show. and as we await

in georgia, they've already done this once before, trying to eliminate fani willis.'t succeed, then it won't succeed now. they haven't made any argument that is powerful enough to call for her recusal. and certainly not to stop the evidence gathered. >> greg, i wonder what you can tell us about the two grand juries there are studying work this week. >> they are meeting in secret. each panel has 23 grand jurors plus three alternates. one panel is going to meet mondays and tuesday's, the other third and fridays. they will meet in secret for two months and decide whether to hand out and documents. it is unclear which one will handle the one focusing on trump, or if anyone's been to focus on trump. but we do believe that one of them will. will we hit a cross section of folks in that grand jury, including a teacher, a former firefighter, and investigate, or an illustrator, and someone who even described himself as an explosion prevention inspector. sure you are kidding a taste of the georgia literate here. >> quite a cross section, and eight. greg, but me ask you, the spe

fani willis begins a critical period in her investigation into trump's potential criminality. i'm ayman mohyeldin, let's get started. ♪ ♪ ♪ we want to start tonight's show by looking back for a moment. back to july 27th 1974, which was an inflection point in our country's history. it was on that day the house judiciary committee recommended that america's 37th president, richard nixon, be impeached and removed from office. six republicans joined 21 democrats in sending that first article of impeachment against the president, which accused him of obstructing justice to the full house. and now, 49 years later, to the day, another former president has found himself accused of the very same charge again. on thursday, donald trump was hit with new counts in special counsel jack smith's classified documents case. in a bombshell superseding indictment, the ex president was charged with an additional count of willful retention of national defense information, and two new counts of obstruction. so with these new charges, trump now faces a staggering total of 40 criminal counts in that

fulton county district attorney fani willis launched an investigation in early 2021 after mr.nd his allies tried to overturn his 2020 election loss in georgia. cnn's nick valencia live for us in atlanta. nick, explain exactly what this new grand jury in fulton county, georgia, will do and when we could expect any possible charges or announcement there won't be any charges. >> reporter: jake, here in fulton county two grand juries were seated today. one of them will be given the historic task whether to give the state charges to the former president and some of the biggest names in his hosht. this grand jury will hear evidence gathered by the special purpose grand jury in their many months of work for district attorney fani willis in their evidence gathering. they had subpoena power and gathered 75 witnesses which included white house aides, former advisers. after they finished hearing the witnesses they took charging documents to the district attorney here, fani willis. fani willis will take those recommendations one of them and try to pursue criminal indictments against the f

a., fani willis, her investigation has been underway for over two years. these new jurors will be the latest panel to examine evidence in that case. >> remember, this all started back in a regular grand jury for district attorney fani willis was presenting witnesses who were willing to come in without being subpoenaed. there were lots of witnesses who were resisting those kinds of voluntary appearances. and she empaneled a special grand jury with the subpoena power. now, she is going to be heading back to a regular grand jury, that being the grand jury with the power to indict. >> the new grand juries will be hearing cases until september 1st. also tonight, there is another new development that could add to trump's legal problems. the department of justice said he can be held liable for comments he made back in 2019 about writer e. jean carroll after she publicly accused him of rape. that is a very big reversal from the doj's earlier position. the department had argued trump should have total immunity for his remarks because they were made when he was the

fani willis, people have been talking about, will she do rico? rico is as big and sprawling as it gets. it also can be confusing to juries. it is hard to bring home. i think she may have taken a page from jack smith spoke and streamlined a bit. at least that is what the guardian article might suggest. that is the first thing i will be looking for. for my money, as a prosecutor, maybe christie agree, you learn more and more simple window down as much as you can and the prospect of a rico trial with 18 defendants and the like, i think it poses real logistical and legal challenges for fani willis. >> christie, a quick reaction to what harry just said? >> it is really hard to say. i think she has been amassing evidence from so many different sources over two-year period. it does seem as though she has really penetrated donald trump's inner circle. so, i would not be surprised -- and she is a rico specialist. she is very comfortable with that statute. she has charged it in the past in sprawling conspiracies where she has charge marketable people. i wo

does jack smith look at what fani willis is doing, just from what's available to the public?that influence what he does or vice versa, or not? >> they are probably not talking to each other. they are certainly not talking to each other about tactics. so, the answer is no, the investigations don't have a whole lot to do with each other. there was a thought that because jack smith charged the documents case and mar-a-lago that that was it. but this jack smith grand jury that is investigating january 6th is heating up. there are people like john eastman and mike pence entering the grand jury. you don't do that just to play around. you do that if you want to bring charges. i think what jack smith is concerned about is that by the end of this year, two rounds of people would have been charged with regard to january 6th. well, these are the little guys, the soldiers, if you will, the people who were responsible for that violence. so, the real question from jack smith is doj only going to go after the little guys? or are they gonna look at the people who finance and organize and fom

fani willis said, back in february, a charging decision in her case was imminent. here we are, in july. so, sometimes, cases take longer than even the prosecutor expects. you think you are at the last witness, that witness tells you about ten other people you want to talk to. i think prosecutors try to work at a rapid clip, but also they try to be as thorough as they can be so there are no surprises later. what do you don't want to happen is prosecuting a case on probable cause. you need to win the case beyond a reasonable doubt. so, what you can't have happening is, some person coming in and testifying, saying i'm the one who did it, and all the perry mason tv shows. you have to talk to everybody so you get confidence there isn't anything you don't know about that case. that could take a long time. >> gwen keyes fleming, what happens in fulton county if, say, jack smith were to return some indictments in the next couple days involving a conduct that took place, say, on that phone call to the georgia secretary of state, or other things involving georgia? >> that's

one has nothing to do with fani willis. one is that if there is any chance of getting to trial before the election, this matter has got to get indicted sometime soon. even though under the speedy trial act, you set a trial date within 70 days, there's all kinds of reasons for continuance and told-ing of that speedy trial act. and the clock is ticking. and of course fani willis has been open about the timing of potential indictments coming out of her office, and i do tend to agree with andrew here. if i were the one prosecuting federally i would like to get ahead of that. but it wouldn't, even if he's not ahead of that, it wouldn't change whether he can get to trial, i think, before the election, because when push comes to shove, if it was a problem with the timing i think that the federal case would go first. >> noah, if i'm not mistaken, in the draft prosecution memo that you were coauthor on, one of the charges's conspiracy to defraud the u.s.. it are not massive aiken that's one of the charges of jerry sixth committee. i

any proceedings in the criminal investigation of donald trump by fulton county district attorney fani willissupervising judge in the case be removed from the case. donald trump was asking the supreme court of georgia to have fani willis removed from any possible prosecution of donald trump. donald trump was asking the supreme court of georgia to prevent the use of any evidence developed by a special grand jury supervised by fani willis in georgia. the supreme court of the state of georgia, with eight of the nine justices having been appointed by republican governors, issued an opinion that marks donald trump simply by reciting exactly what donald trump was asking the supreme court to do. the georgia supreme court said that donald trump was asking that court, quote, to allow him to circumvent the regular judicial process. the georgia supreme court ruled that donald trump was wrong procedurally and then went the extra step to say that donald trump was also wrong on merits. trump was asking the supreme court of georgia to find georgia's special purpose grand juries unconstitutional and dismissi

and, fulton county d.a., fani willis. former president, donald trump. now we're still breaking down the impacts of smith scathing superseding indictment in the mar-a-lago classified documents case. msnbc legal analyst, joyce vance, is standing by to explain why this can end up being an awful august for donald trump.

then there is jack smith's and fani willis's 2020 election probes where trump could face two more indictments related to his efforts to overturn that free and fair election, especially in light of the revelations that georgia governor brian kemp has been contacted by the special counsel for information. trump's mounting legal troubles mean that he could be bouncing between the campaign trail and the courts. and if you know donald trump, he will treat them as one and the same. and the pressure appears to be getting to him, trump has been lashing out on social media at special counsel jack smith and an entire legal system. this week without any context at all trump re-posted this mega video on his social media account that appears to use old audio from a 2020 interview in which trump was actually talking about iran. [inaudible] >> if you do something bad to us, we are going to do things that never been done before. >> too bad we had to bleep out the course, but ominous words from the man who urged supporters to come to the capitol on january 6th, promising that it would be quote, wild. this is

fulton county district attorney fani willis has said she plans to announce charging decisions during superior court term that just began. and surprise, surprise. that was not welcome news to trump, who just filed a petition into georgia courts seeking to, one, disqualify fani willis for investigating him for election interference, and to, quash the final report of the special grand jury that would recommend indictments in the matter. joining me now our cynthia asked me and msnbc legal analyst and former prosecutor, former congressman david jolly, msnbc political analyst and former congresswoman, don edwards, and msnbc political analyst and washington post columnist. cynthia, let's begin with you. this is grist for the middle for prosecutors looking at this. what are the implications of jack smith's team reaching out to all of the secretaries of state around the country? does that say something about the idea of his investigation taking a wider scope than we first thought? >> i think we thought for a long time that the january six investigation was going to be pretty broad because we'

. >> in full conn town ti, fani willis is wrapping up the investigation to overturn president trump'sestigation into jordan? what twill that reveal. this is cnn "news central." just moments ago, trump employee carlos de oliveira walked out of the federal court and arraigned in a number of charges in theum we are getting a look at him leaving. this is what happened at mar-a-lago a year ago when the justice department wanted the service and trump wanted it deleted. this is what happened in november. >> hey, yeah, john. we got a first look tand his first appearance. he arrived in a navy blue suit and tie, and when he got inside, he huddled with the washington-based attorney john irving and surrounded by a handful of u.s. marshals who hovered over him in the court appearance. the judge asked him to stand at the lek turn, and state his name, and he said fodge he told him that he had the the right to remain silent, and that he had a right to as he was held in the courtroom, and he was released on a 100,000 bond, and he certainly didn't have the money to put it up, but the judge said that he